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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:54 pm 
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The Rapture & Christ's Return

44% of Christians polled believe that Jesus Christ will return within their lifetimes, global conflict is the precursor for this. This means that the apocalypse / armageddon, are always just around the corner.

When will jesus return? - "Various Gospel passages record how Jesus believed that the second coming would occur very soon, during the lifetime of his followers (i.e. before the end of the 1st century CE). St. Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11 also anticipates the event in his near future, and during his own lifetime. He encouraged Christians in Thessalonia to keep alert in anticipation of the coming of the Lord. Of course, both the report of Jesus' speech (in Mark 9:1) and Paul's letters (in Thessalonians and in 1 Corinthians 7:26-31) were wrong. Neither the rapture nor Jesus' second coming happened during the 1st century CE. Some Christians of every age since Jesus' execution have been anxiously expecting the event, and looking for signs of its coming."

"Ever since Christ's death, many Christians have been expecting the second coming in their immediate future. Most believe that Christ will not actually land or stay on earth at this time; the "real" second coming will occur later, when he returns on a horse leading an army on horseback who will exterminate one third of the earth's population in a massive genocide. It will be numerically the largest mass extermination of humans in history." http://www.religioustolerance.org/rapture.htm

Even the religious tolerance website admits Christ, "will exterminate one third of the earth's population in a massive genocide. It will be numerically the largest mass extermination of humans in history"

Does anybody else see a problem with that? That's just Christs return. Eventually, 2/3rds of the earths human population will be destroyed! If 44% of xians today believe in & hope for this mass genocide, I fail to see any good here.

"The word "Rapture" is not found in the Bible. There is also no single word used by the biblical authors to describe the prophetic factors which comprise the doctrine. Its formulation has come about by means of induction. Certain biblical passages concerning the second coming (and the role that Christians will play in that event) have been inductively blended together to establish the teaching. The modern expression "Rapture" was then invented to explain the overall teaching and the term suits the subject well. The basic tenets of the doctrine are uninvolved. Simply put, it purports that Christ will come back to this earth in two phases. He will first return invisibly to rapture His church away from this world so that they might escape (or partially escape) the prophetical tribulation to occur near the end of the age, then later Christ will return in a visible advent to dispense His wrath on the world's nations."

"In the middle 1820's a religious environment began to be established among a few Christians in London. England which proved to be the catalyst around which the doctrine of the Rapture emerged. Expectations of the soon coming of our Lord were being voiced, This was no new thing, but what, was unusual was the teaching by a Presbyterian minister named Edward Irving that there had to be a restoration of the spiritual gifts mentioned in I Corinthians 12-14 just before Christ's second coming." http://www.askelm.com/doctrine/d760201.htm

"Revelation, rather than having been written by any apostle called John during the 1st Century C.E., is a very ancient text that dates to the beginning of this era of history, i.e. possibly as early as 4,000 years ago. The Book of Revelation is Egyptian and Zoroastrian". http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

"A Brief History of the Apocalypse" - http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm

Please enjoy these 2 VIDEOS:

1. "Life and Liberty for All Who Believe"

2. "The Rise of Dominionism"

http://www.theocracywatch.org/audio-video.htm

"People who are obsessed with end times have never learned from history. They've been 100 percent wrong, 100 percent of the time." ~ Hank Hanegraaff, CRI


:arrow: I am hopeful that this topic may inspire another short, informative VIDEO by Vega, maybe early next year, as this topic is not being discussed at the level it needs to be. Folks need to realize how absurd & dangerous this really is :!:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:33 pm 
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I think 44% is on the high side - more like 10%-15% - Christians just hedging their bets you know.

For a video or anything to influence minds you need minds to influence and fundies give theirs up when they accept and defend this crap.

I prefer just to put out solid information, not battle phantasmagoria...

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No, I'm in the US & the number stands strong at around 44%. It would of course vary, country to country.

The other information I've brought here is very solid & can be backed up. This topic certainly needs to be discussed as our Republican leaders in the US try to turn the US into a theocracy & over-ride the US Constitution with Old Testament Biblical Law. Thank goodness, a few of them have recently been voted out of office. But we are in no way in the clear.

You don't have to do the video, I thought you'd be interested. How are you making them - I will learn how to make my own.

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If you have windows XP you already have video making software. Just get some text, pics and music and there you go! Have you seen 'The Rapture' (1941) - hilarious...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ_hrEdEsPs

http://www.archive.org/details/RAPTURE

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http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php/rapture

Is the Pretribulational Rapture a New View? by Charlie Campbell


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47% Of American Christians Believe Jesus Will Probably Return Within 40 Years

"A Pew Research Poll showed that among American Christians nearly half, 47%, believe that Jesus will at least probably return to earth within the next 40 years, with the majority of that group (27%) believing that Jesus definitely will return in the near future. Only 10% of American Christians believe that Jesus will definitely not return within their lifetimes."

How Many U.S. Christians Believe Christ's 'Second Coming' Will Happen Soon? More Than You May Think

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Coming

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