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Tat Tvam Asi wrote:
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And yet, we can look to the Ten Commandments, specifically the second law prohibiting idols, and see that any reification of God as an entity with defined traits breaks this basic Judeo-Christian law.
This one sentence alone reveals your level of awareness. Most people can not grasp it. But once it has been understood it's so very basic in hindsight.
The observation that God is not a real entity with traits is, as you say, not widely grasped. And yet scientifically it is completely obvious; astronomy can observe the material space-time structure of the universe and see that it does not include anything supernatural. This yawning gulf between the elegant consistency of scientific observation and the inelegant inconsistency of popular religious imagination indicates the philosophical complexity of religious language. Words are imprecise, and our subjective sense of meaning is in large part emotional. Yet, desiring that the truth be known, we can assess our emotional beliefs against rational understanding.

The pantheist view that God is the whole of space-time, providing a natural definition of eternity, challenges us to understand how the whole is reflected in the part. Authentic religion – ‘re-binding’ humanity and the cosmos – sees the whole reflected in every part. Idolatry worships a partial reality that does not reflect the whole. In Paul’s term in Romans 1:25, idolatry “exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator”. It is worth exploring this problem of idolatry further to help see how the zodiac imagery in the Bible forms part of a coherent astro-theology, indicating vision of a cosmic sense of purpose connecting humanity to nature.

Your comment “once it has been understood it’s so very basic” regarding the error of reification of God (‘making a real thing’)presupposes a lot of background analysis and a willingness to explore how religious language can be internally consistent. The commandment against idolatry ‘thou shalt not make any graven images’ has a lot of emotional baggage, associated with big traditions such as the Protestant spirit of iconoclasm (destruction of images) and the ancient monotheist hostility towards pagan nature worship. Iconoclasm is commonly used to argue that Christian monotheism is a more evolved spirituality than paganism, reflecting a higher ethical standard, based on word rather than image, but this misrepresents the nature of pagan belief. Many people find cultural iconoclasm to be offensive and bigoted. But it is not so simple. Rejection of idols is sometimes a rational exposure of false thought, showing that worship of cars or celebrities or books or artworks etc reflects a partial and limited mentality. On the other side, the Islamic ban on natural representation in art is destructive of aesthetic sense of beauty, and indicates a narrow fanaticism. The aim should be to see how iconic images point to deeper meaning.

Analysis at atheism.about.com argues that the Biblical commandment against idolatry is immoral and unjust for its sub-claim that God will visit the iniquity of idolaters to the third and fourth generation. This fatalism is a form of karma. In modern society, children are seen as independent from their parents, possessing individual rights, and not to be condemned for the sins of the fathers, so the Biblical law seems harsh and unfair and outmoded. This critique has merit, but there is also merit in seeking to understand the ethical values behind the Biblical view about idolatry. The typical atheist premise is that God-language can only be about an entity with traits. If instead, the commandment refers to God not as an entity, but as the whole of space-time, the eternal structure of the universe, it is suggesting a complex karmic cause and effect process within the formation and evolution of ideas. The second commandment could be modernised as ‘worship of idols is bad karma’.

For example, creationists regard the Bible as an idol, and hold to a rather crazy inerrancy theory about it. This idolatrous attitude clearly has inter-generational impact, causing innocent descendents to suffer from the Bibliolatry of their ancestors. Plato argued that materialists, those who say nothing is real except what can be touched and seen, exhibit a simplistic idolatry that produces a complex destructive moral energy in society, taking the part for the whole.

How does this analysis of idolatry relate to the question of this thread about the twelve signs of the zodiac in the Bible? Conventional Christianity argues that seeing God in the regular cycle of the heavens is a form of idolatry, involving the heresy of natural theology. But, if we try to analyse this more deeply, it makes more sense to say that seeing divinity in the zodiac interprets our cosmic context as a reflection of the eternal truth, whereas the common dogmatic picture of God as a personal entity who answers prayer is idolatrous. In the book of Job, possibly the oldest book in the Bible, God is understood as reflected in the stars, with the term Mazzaroth used for the zodiac at verse 38:32. Job presents the creation of the zodiac, and Orion and the Pleiades, as an image of the power of God. So, we see that the slow natural cycles of the cosmos are a primary revelation of the Biblical idea of God. The whole (God) is reflected in the part (the zodiac).
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God the Father is portrayed as extremely mysterious in scripture. He speaks out from the environment here and there, whether from atop a mountain, a cloud over head, or a burning bush, and the rumblings in Revelation, etc. It's always very abstract and he's never a man-like person standing up in the sky speaking down at us. We're dealing with something very abstract that is meant to symbolize eternity, mere existence as a whole, which is necessarily omnipresent and can speak out from any given place at any given time.
Yes, in terms of the fractal geometry of nature, every part of a complex whole reflects the shape of the whole. So every part of eternity is a natural causal reflection of the whole of eternity, of the space-time whole of the universe. The Gnostic vision of identification with eternity appears in Auguries of Innocence, the poem of William Blake: ‘To see the world in a grain of sand, and to see heaven in a wild flower, hold infinity in the palm of your hands, and eternity in an hour’.

Your idea that eternity can speak is the premise of the perennial philosophy of Thoth, ‘as above so below’. The idea is that when events on earth (the microcosm) are attuned to their causal identity as part of natural cycles (the macrocosm), this attunement can reveal the longer trends inherent within the macrocosm of the universe, so we see how nature reflects eternity. So, we can argue that “God the Father’, symbolising eternity, is revealed in the complexity of the zodiac, as the main regular enfolding natural cosmic cycle of the earth.
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The public has been so dumbed down over the years that they have been lowered to the level trying to see this abstract God representing the mystery involved in mere existence as one of three literal persons referred to as the trinity. Stahrwe, that complete idiot, is so brainwashed that he doesn't have a snow balls chance in hell of ever realizing that reducing the eternal mystery (God) to a personified image (ethnic God) for the sake of human contemplation is to reduce God into a mere idol, a finite form, a finite image.
The idolatry of the Piscean Age is reflected in the deep dogmatic errors of the institutional church, designed for political interests rather than spiritual enlightenment. This problem actually has a very interesting Biblical basis in the Olivet discourse of Matthew 24, where Jesus says the gospel of the kingdom will be preached to the whole earth and then the end will come. I see this as a prediction of spiritual evolution against the Ages of Pisces and Aquarius. It suggests the belief-centred doctrine that has dominated the Age of Pisces was necessary, because the fallen state of the world was not ready for the knowledge-based Gnostic spirituality that will transform the planet in the Age of Aquarius. Jesus presented the strategic argument, seen also in the victory of John over Thomas, that belief had to be primary until the end of the Age of Pisces, at which time knowledge would become the zeitgeist. It means the seed of truth had to be carried through the Age of Pisces in a flawed vessel, with the promise that at the end of the Age a reckoning of the true and false would occur, an idea seen in the parable of the wheat and tares.
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I don't recall if Campbell got this from Jung or Zimmer, but he spoke of the leave taking of God for God, that is, the leave taking of God the ethnic symbol for God the transcendent mystery of all life and being. The mystery's not a human-like entity, nor a mind, nor anything that can be conceptualized or spoken of. It's simply the unknown. The perpetually unknown. It isn't a mystery that can ever be solved by religious leaders nor empirical science.
I endorse your humble stance before the eternal transcendent mystery of reality. We can, however, see that some claims are correct and some claims are false, and so can open dialogue to encourage movement towards enlightenment. We can therefore approach towards solution of the mystery of the true nature of God, with the hope that the Age of Aquarius will be a time of cosmic scientific enlightenment and planetary transformation. Seeing the Biblical tribulation as allegory for the seven millennia of Christian time, understood as the three and a half ages from fall to redemption, I believe it is legitimate to compare each millennium to the symbolic meaning seen in the corresponding annual signs. The ‘as above so below’ cosmic attunement can then see a harmonic resonance between the annual cycle of the procession of the signs and the Great Year cycle of precession of the equinox.

The guiding theme of Aquarius is innovative humanitarian knowledge, while the guiding theme of Pisces is compassionate mystical belief. These guiding themes suggest that the first age of Christ, the Age of Pisces, was a time of slow emergence from deep spiritual ignorance, symbolised by the Pisces themes in the core doctrine of the church. The Piscean theme of compassionate mystical belief has strong ethical content, but we are now seeing it is not sufficient for contemporary needs. We are now seeing the steady emergence of innovative humanitarian knowledge as the guiding theme of planetary ethics, pointing towards a new age of Aquarius, in which the innovative humanitarian knowledge inherent in the Gospel vision of the Kingdom of God will become the guiding spirit of our planet.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:04 am 
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My simple one cents worth is that God can be seen with Astrology and that it is the closest thing we have to understanding it. As the Alpha and Omega, knowing no boundaries, all-knowing, all powerful, in control, holy, omniscience, truth, unchangeable, eternal, and so on.

Is this the reason that we see Astor-theology in ancient architecture? It is above and independent of the physical universe. The ancient’s worship of the heavens was in fact the worship of it.

The burning bush seems to be part of the age of Aries (fire), an angry, jealous, and unforgiving god. Humanity was struggling with self awareness, savagery, and selfishness. It was a time of the sword and the opposing Libra legal system with the Ten Commandments.

It was later in the NT when water (Pisces) was turned into wine (Pisces). Pisces meant that we could have a way to teach us to control our impulsive and aggressive actions of the Aries me first attitude.

Perhaps as we move to the Age of Aquarius our contact with other worlds will solve age old questions about God and the Universe.

With this understanding in mind, we can now look back into the past knowing and seeing things described in terms of Ages, and then best of all, now look forward with this knowledge and understanding. Whereas before we wonder why something as strange as a burning bush, but now we can look for those Aquarius hints where ever they may be found.

It is in fact through this forum that I have gained this knowledge; a sense helps us understand where we have been, where we are today, and where we are going. What a gift you have given me! You have shown me the subtle over-all message of the Bible and perhaps other ancient scripts.

In today’s world of I want everything and I want it now, is it no wonder that the ancients knew better? Is it any wonder that with the message of the Age’s, that this message was deliberately delivered Age by Age?

Thanks for the gift!


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You guys keep nailing it.
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The burning bush seems to be part of the age of Aries (fire), an angry, jealous, and unforgiving god. Humanity was struggling with self awareness, savagery, and selfishness. It was a time of the sword and the opposing Libra legal system with the Ten Commandments.


The God reflects human emotion of the current time period. This also has to do with being charged with killing all of the men of the heathen city and then taking the young maidens (virgins) for booty. It's rather obvious that this is the case of the priest hood writing these things down and the human emotion contained therein is but a reflection of their own. They wanted to ran sack some city and do it they told the people that God promised them booty for ran saking the city. It's this primitive age of Aries human mind set personified in the mythos. It was indeed the Aries-Libra axis and so we find that a time of fire (the sword) and the law was implimented. The people were arranged into divisions based on the 12 divisions of the zodiac in this process. It's astrotheological through and through.

It was also the last age of the former great year. So when the axis shift to Pisces-Virgo was anticipated and then actually happened, so too did a major religious symbolism revolution take place as well. Roberts close study of the Pisces-Virgo axis shift and the loaves and fishes metaphor comes in here. It's time of change and the beginning of a new cycle. The unforgiving Yahweh is made to become more forgiving via his divine son Yeshua who becomes the mediator between Yahweh and humanity. It's still another primitive age mind set but one slightly advanced to the former. The emphasis is on belief (Paul) but with a side note that Knowing will prevail in the age to come (Luke 22:10). One can make a case that the religious leaders throughout this chain of religious evolution payed careful attention to the precession of the equinoxes and based their mythologizing on the reigning theme of the given world age. If that same trend continues then we can deduce with near certainty that when the vernal equinox sunrise begins to fall in the sign of Aquarius there will be another radical shift in religious symbolism perhaps coming out of Christianity in the same way Christianity broke out from Judaism, one which will have been anticipated in advance and then implimented accordingly following the first signs of the sun changing houses. You read through the NT and that's precisely what was going on. Jesus' life models the last year of the age of Aries through the crucifixion at which point the ages and the Great Year change over. The Lamb of God then has a fish dinner with the disciples following the resurrection. The symbolism is very clear about that. Then moving along Stephen declares that he sees the Son of Man (Jesus / Pisces) sitting at the right hand (east) of God. When analyzing the first martyrdom it seems clear that Stephen is saying that the sun is now rising in the sign of Pisces on the eastern horizon of existence - Jesus (Pisces) sitting at the right hand (East) of God (Existence). Then Paul, who was there takes off to kill these new age believers when he suddenly 'gets it'. Then he takes off promoting the new age as well and emphasizes "belief" which is the theme of the new age. It's pretty simple when the astrotheological levels are understood.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 6:07 pm 
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It is no wonder to an astrologer that Judas Iscariot was the twelfth Disciple which is significant with the 12th house of astrology which is associated with secret enemies, hidden things, loneliness, the end of everything, and the least understood of the horoscope. Judas is always listed last in the list of disciples.

Also we must wonder how Judas betrayed Jesus because Jesus wasn’t that hard to find! Perhaps they needed Eschatology (end to an age).

Also significant is that his replacement Apostle Matthias is vaguely known and that there is some debate as to who became the 12th apostle after Judas, was it Matthias or Paul.

In the painting of “The Last Supper” there is theory that John is obscured by Peter and Judas.

There are even differing versions in the bible as to what happened to Judas after the betrayal and what happened to the silver. This has opened up weakness as to the accurate accounting of the bible. There is also “The Gospel of Judas” discovered in a cave in the 70’s that basically said that Jesus ask Judas to hand him over.

Neptune, the ruler of Pisces (12th house to the cosmos), wasn’t discovered until 1781. The ancient ruler of Pisces (twelfth house) and Sagittarius was Jupiter so perhaps Judas was a philosopher, a traveler, and educated man. He always called Jesus “The Teacher”, not the Lord as other apostles did. He, according to books of the bible, was said to be a “Behind the scenes” type of person.

Since someone had to do the dirty deed, did he in fact lay down his life for Jesus? Will he be the one to rule the 12th house? Will Judas Iscariot's name be one of the twelve whose names are on the foundations of the city and will he judge a tribe of Israel?

In conclusion we can see that Astor-theology can be seen to play a real part in the bible. Jesus (Pisces) conclusion (12th house) to His life is played out in the 12th house with the 12th disciple. Knowing what I know about the 12th house and Pisces, I could imagine no other more interesting way for the end of the age of Aries and the beginning of the age of Pisces.

Please tell, is it because the compilers of the books of the bible knew about Aster-theology or is it because God is Astrology?


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It's because the compilers knew about astrotheology. God is basically the ultimate, existence. And it is personified. Existence can seem harsh, cruel, unforgiving, and bringing death and misfortune. But, it can also seem loving, caring, forgiving, compassionate, and life giving and sustaining. So what appears as major contradiction in the personified story line can be viewed on a deeper level of consideration. And ultimately, they conclude that God / Existence is all good, despite the harshness described of God / Existence. So one can see that basically what is being expressed here is that no matter how harsh existence can seem, existence is ultimately a good thing nonetheless. When you understand that the myths hinge around the mystery of existence and personifying it in alot of cases, well then the outcome is a God who is called the eternal but seems to think and act like a finite human being of limited understanding and awareness. They have attached human thoughts and emotions to a metaphor for the mystery of existence and this is how it came out. When you can manage to see through the metaphor to the simple mystery it is meant to convey then the God of the myth is seen for what it is. You see past the personified deity imagery altogether.

You > Yahweh > Mystery of Existence.

The final reference has nothing to do with any type of ego consciousness at all. Nor astrology or anything that can be thought of or named. But, all of these things can serve to point to the underlying mystery which is the real meat of the metaphor.

The astrological lore of the ancients presents an image of the universe and it's movements. It can also relate what is above in the sky to down below on the earth. That's the second function of a tradition mythology. The first function has to do with coming to terms with the mystery underlying the whole of existence, the heavens included. So when dealing with astrotheology one is dealing with a set of mythic symbols that are astrological in nature and serve the purpose of putting one in accord with the movements of the natural universe as well as the mystery of causation underlying the natural universe. If you go over Manly P. Hall's "astrotheology" series this is made very clear right from the beginning:

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2670&p=20405#p20405

It's also made very clear in all of Joseph Campbell's comparative religion and mythology books and lectures:

http://vimeo.com/4826647

That's really a sort of prerequisite for getting into studying the astrotheology of the ancients. Astrology is only God in the sense that it's based on the movements of the universe and the universe points inward to the mystery of it's own existence. So it's a complex question. If I told you no then it wouldn't properly relay the depth of the question. If I told you yes without explaining the situation it could come off the wrong way and cause confusion. But the answer is ultimately yes and the compilers of the bible were aware of that dimension of the astrotheological symbolism as they were using it. That much is evident to me.

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I can't believe it! The Manly P. Hall's online audio lectures that I'm starting to listen to start on the very thing that I've been asking you about. Wow! I'm feeling blessed.

"The Universe is the body of a blessed God."

I'm going to enjoy listening to them!

Thank you Tat Tvam Asi


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He's capturing the religious sense of the astrotheological symbolism from the perspective of the ancients, which you seem to be interested in knowing more about. So I'm sure you're going to enjoy the rest of the series.

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It's really taken me some time to listen to manly p. hall so please excuse if I'm not with it. I wish to backtrack back to when we were talking about how the Zodiac is related to the 12 Tribes of Israel, simply because I wish for some more imput about something about these Israelites and Astrology.


In the study of astrology i have realized that the jewish holiday rosh hashanah is, among other things (i think but not sure) the day of judgment and that the interesting thing here is that it falls on the first day of libra (or close) to it and that libra with the scales does in fact represent judgment. I will now continue to try to connected the jewish calendar with astrology-theology.

In the table on this site
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar
you can see the 12 months listed (with additional 12L and 12). note that the 7th month (libra in astrology) does in fact contain the holiday for rosh hashanah (judgment). Perhaps somewhat weaker we see that the first month, Nisan (passover is on the 15th day) seems to equate to Aries with the lambs (aries ram) blood on the door which was a sign for the angels to passover the house. It also equates to other obvious Aries properties with no need to mention.

Notice on the table that in the 3rd month shavuot is in the holidays column. This holiday is the day that God gave the jews the Torah. Can we equate Gemini with that month as a month of communication which is represented by gemini the 3rd house.

Next, randomly looking at the 9th month (astrology sagittarius ruled by jupiter) we see the holiday column the word Hanukkah which means the day that the temple was re-dedicated after a certain king had desecrated it. Please note that in astrology temples are ruled by jupiter which also rules this 9th house.

Finally, just as one last test, I've analyzed the 12th month witch is complicated beyond my understanding since the table shows two, however, with holidays I looked up the one shown purim and looking at it's definition found the following:
Purim (Hebrew: פורים (help·info) Pûrîm "lots", related to Akkadian pūru) is a festival that commemorates the deliverance of the Jewish people living throughout the ancient Persian Empire from a plot by Haman the Agagite to annihilate them, as recorded in the Biblical Book of Esther (Megillat Esther). According to the story, Haman cast lots to determine the day upon which to exterminate the Jews.


Note that the 12th house in astrology is ruled by pisces and that the plot stated above would most certainly come under the ruler ship of the 12th sign of pisces and that in ancient times the 12th house would have been ruled by jupiter (neptune not publically discovered yet) which also rules the casting of lots (gambling).

In conclusion I hope someone will comment about this and perhaps give me some more guidance or admonition.


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http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=319121&page=8

Will Wiley wrote:
Hi Robert, I'm somewhat familiar with astrotheology broadly speaking, but not familiar with Murdock's work, can you perhaps extend your thoughts here about what it is about the disciples (if the original stories are not lost), apart from there being 12 of them, that would associate them with the 12 signs of the Zodiac? The 12 tribes of Israel seem, pretty clearly, to relate to these signs, but it isn't clear, to me, how the disciples would relate to the signs apart from via the 12 tribes.

Will, thank you for this question. The relation between the twelve disciples and the twelve signs of the zodiac is an idea clearly present in early Gnostic thought, which astrotheology holds to be the real origin of the literal fictions of Christianity. The use of the zodiac also emerges from the allegory of Jesus as the sun, from the idea that the sun passes through twelve months each year, to illustrate that events on earth (so below) reflect the heavenly pattern of time (as above). There is also the observation in geometry that a sphere can be touched by exactly twelve spheres of the same size as it.

Clement of Alexandria, in his Excerpts from Theodotus, says the early second century Gnostic leader Valentinus held that the Apostles were substituted for the twelve signs of the Zodiac. Valentinus was reputed to have been a candidate for pope, illustrating how prominent such ideas were in the early days. This early metaphor of the zodiac, considered together with the complete absence of any evidence for Jesus or the disciples in independent sources, illustrates that these Gospel motifs started as cosmic, and only later had their historic biographies attached. The complete absence of biography in Paul helps to show how the myth of the twelve started as esoteric symbolism based on observation of the sky.

Irenaeus of Lyon, the great heresiologist, had a mosaic on his church floor of the twelve signs of the zodiac. But that should not imply that Irenaeus was a heretic, although he was later seen as suspect. The zodiac is simply a measure of the course of the year, and need have no astrological meaning. But of course historically the attempts at magical interpretation led this motif to be rejected as fatalist, magical, pagan and heretical. Later the esoteric theme of the zodiac became prominent, for example with the stained glass windows of French cathedrals such as St Denis showing Christ or God at the centre surrounded by the twelve apostles and twelve signs.

Revelation 21, the description of the holy city, provides a definite link between the twelve apostles and the signs of the zodiac. Both Josephus and Philo say the breastplate of the high priest of Israel had twelve stones symbolising the zodiac, illustrating this theme was literally at the heart of Jewish concepts of the sacred. Revelation links twelve stones or jewels to the twelve foundations of the holy city (21:19-20), and to the ‘names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb’ (21:14). If these jewels are zodiacal, we have a Biblical link between the apostles and the zodiac.

In an intriguing follow up, Athanasius Kircher in the seventeenth century claimed to have an old Arabic manuscript that showed these twelve stones represent the zodiac in reverse from Pisces to Aries, but his source is not extant. His suggestion is routinely cited in conservative Biblical commentaries as evidence of John’s disavowal of astrology, because the signs are reversed. However, if correct, it would appear to confirm a Biblical encoding of the precession of the equinox, the movement of the sun at Easter from Pisces in the day of Jesus back by one sign each 2000 years. Precession is plausibly embedded in the alpha and omega as the cosmic moment of the turn of ages at the time of Christ.

Perhaps the most extraordinary use of the twelve signs to describe the twelve disciples is by Leonardo Da Vinci in The Last Supper. The real Da Vinci code uses the shape of the zodiac constellations as the templates for the twelve disciples in order from right to left, and Pisces as the template for Jesus. This is so unacceptable to dogmatic faith that it is completely ignored, even though it is obvious if you look at the fresco against the constellation maps.

At issue here is the existence of a secret esoteric tradition within Christianity which understood the symbols of faith as metaphors for natural observation, focused on Jesus as allegory for the sun. This teaching was suppressed as heresy, and early texts explicitly supporting it were hunted down and burnt, leaving only the hints encoded in the surviving texts and artefacts. The problem is to assess if these hints can be explained in any way other than by natural allegory. I maintain they cannot, because of the coherence of the underlying astrotheological message. But it seems this message is so destructive for conventional Christianity that it is rejected out of hand as emotionally impossible.

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Thanks for doing that, Robert, I'm reminded of your thread here:

The Zodiac in Leonardo Da Vinci's Last Supper

and Acharya's thread here:

Zodiacs on the Floor of Synagogues

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