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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:11 am 
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I am reading Jeremy Narby's book "The cosmic serpent" in which he supports the idea that the images seen in shaman's hallucinations may be related to the DNA contained in our cells.

Is the DNA the cosmic serpent?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:50 am 
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I wouldn't know much about that, I'd have to read the book to see what his arguments are, but I do know that people who have shamanic experiences see a lot of things, not just serpents. Some see no serpents at all.

But like the tunnel of light in a near-death experience, I can see there being some type of physiological structure that produces the image.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:30 pm 
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I read the book years ago. One can see a lot of 'things' when one is stoned on assorted hallucinogenic drugs. I don't remember that book being considered scholarly. Grain of salt, be cautious.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:48 pm 
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The book is here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/126611255/Jer ... ic-Serpent

If one looks at the pictures only, it is amazing. Same images, symbols related to the serpent in all ancient nations, including nowadays shamans. The ladder, the twisted serpents, etc. The author quotes various anthropologists, and also molecular biology specialists. I don't know, I read half of the book, could I access my own DNA???


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:31 pm 
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It is all speculative territory, and I have not read The Cosmic Serpent.

There are a couple of interesting points about this topic.

Fractal geometry describes natural structures, with self-similar patterns occurring at nested scales. The DNA double helix has a similar shape to the helix shape of our solar system as the sun carries the planets on a helical path around the galaxy. I don't suggest we can infer a causal fractal connection between DNA and the planets. Even so, it presents an intriguing observation that the spatial shape of our cellular blueprint in DNA is similar to the spatiotemporal shape of our solar system. It has a poetic ring in illustrating how we are connected and attuned to the cosmos that gives us life.

On the cosmic serpent, there are several myths that relate to snakes and similar creatures in the sky, notably dragons and scorpions. The Mithraic God Aion (Time) was depicted as a combination between four living creatures, man, lion, eagle and snake, with the six coils of the snake possibly symbolising the seven ages of the zodiac from the Golden Age of Leo through to the coming Age of Aquarius. Precession of the equinox could therefore have been conceptualised as a cosmic snake. This coiled same precessional snake shape appears in the snake on a pole in Numbers, cited by Christ in John 3 as the origin of the symbol of the cross.

Such positive snake imagery was rejected by Judaism and Christianity, but the motif of the four living creatures continued, as mentioned in Ezekiel and Revelation. It seems the Mithraic snake of Aion as the symbol of time was replaced by the bull, Taurus, symbol of the evangelist Luke, while the snake itself, based on the constellation Scorpio, morphed into the eagle of the evangelist John.

Interestingly, the snake was probably the original symbol of the Jewish tribe of Dan, but was replaced by the eagle in the Christian pantheon, indicating that the original source of this myth was unacceptable for its inclusion of the snake.

Taurus, Leo, Scorpio and Aquarius, the bull, lion, scorpion and man, are at the four corners of the heavens, with their four main stars Aldebaran, Regulus, Antares and Fomalhaut each separated by ninety degrees of arc along the annual path of the sun. The bull, lion and man match the icons, but the status of the scorpion/snake has changed.

Here is some background on how the snake was replaced by the eagle in Judeo-Christian iconography.
Donna Provancher wrote:
http://astronomologer.com/2012/02/the-a ... -prophecy/
The emblem of the tribe of Dan was the serpent, in fulfillment of Jacob’s prophecy in Genesis 49:17: ”Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.” However, the prince of the tribe of Dan replaced the serpent with an eagle. To Dan was given the symbol of Scorpio, which, in the ancient Egyptian zodiac was a snake. However, when the time came to hoist the symbol of the snake, Ahiezer refused and chose instead the symbol of an eagle. According to Unger’s Bible Dictionary: ‘Dan’s position in the journey was on the north of the Tabernacle, with Asher and Naphtali. The standard of the tribe was of white and red, and the crest upon it, an eagle, the great foe to serpents, which had been chosen by the leader instead of a serpent, because Jacob had compared Dan to a serpent. Ahiezer substituted the eagle, the destroyer of serpents, as he shrank from carrying an adder upon his flag. It may prove worthwhile to consider the possible connection to the tribe of Dan whenever an eagle is used as the symbol of subsequent leaders or nations.’ “


http://www.thewhitegoddess.co.uk/divina ... orpion.asp says
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Scorpio, ... may have developed from a single drawing of a serpent, having a head, many coils and a tail. ... In Egypt the symbol was derived from the pictograph, in demotic script, for a snake, and by late Greek times closely resembled the modern symbol."
Indeed the Scorpio glyph does look like the head, coils and tail of snake. We could speculate about whether Ophiuchus the snake killer is actually killing serpens or scorpio in the sky.

If the twelve tribes of Israel symbolise the twelve signs of the zodiac, the association between Dan and the snake via Scorpio, and its apparent repression in view of attitudes to snakes, presents an interesting piece of cultural history. A good discussion of the zodiac and the twelve tribes, notably their positioning at the month points described in Numbers 2, is at Astrological Attributions of the Twelve Tribes of Israel.

Another snake in the sky is the constellation Draco the Dragon, which provided the pole star Thuban until 1000 BC. Myths about Satan and the serpent/dragon can usefully be read against the cosmic observation of the shift of the pole out of the dragon and into the bear over historic time.

The Australian Aboriginal myth of the Rainbow Snake, and the Mayan Quetzalcoatl as the feathered snake, are both deeply cosmic. It is interesting that the rainbow snake is seen as indifferent to human wellbeing, providing a cosmic allegory for the harsh situation of life.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:04 pm 
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Thank you for your detailed answer and useful links.


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