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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:58 pm 
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I don't know how long this editorial will be accessible to the masses before they make it members only, but I ran across this from the N.Y. Times:

the Gospel of Judas: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/01/opini ... ?th&emc=th

If you would like to read the text of the Gospel of Judas you can read it here: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/lostg ... raphic.com

Now, I have this feeling this is another midrash, but I can't quite put my finger on which story and I can't research it for a week and half- papers and finals. :( I'm opting for the easy way out right now, so does anyone know which story?

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Instead, Jesus asked Judas, his most trusted and beloved disciple, to hand him over to be killed. Judas’s reward? Ascent to heaven and exaltation above the other disciples.


Sounds like Elijah in a way, but it doesn't quite jibe.

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a more careful reading makes clear that Judas is not only no hero, he is a demon.


This sounds like a Krishna thing in a way, but I can't think which one.

However, National Geographics rushing of scholars caused some error in their translation:

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Several of the translation choices made by the society’s scholars fall well outside the commonly accepted practices in the field. For example, in one instance the National Geographic transcription refers to Judas as a “daimon,” which the society’s experts have translated as “spirit.” Actually, the universally accepted word for “spirit” is “pneuma ” — in Gnostic literature “daimon” is always taken to mean “demon.”


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According to the National Geographic translation, Judas’s ascent to the holy generation would be cursed. But it’s clear from the transcription that the scholars altered the Coptic original, which eliminated a negative from the original sentence. In fact, the original states that Judas will “not ascend to the holy generation.” To its credit, National Geographic has acknowledged this mistake, albeit far too late to change the public misconception.


OK so the above link is a bad one. Where can we get a version that is more accurate?

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So what does the Gospel of Judas really say? It says that Judas is a specific demon called the “Thirteenth.” In certain Gnostic traditions, this is the given name of the king of demons — an entity known as Ialdabaoth who lives in the 13th realm above the earth. Judas is his human alter ego, his undercover agent in the world. These Gnostics equated Ialdabaoth with the Hebrew Yahweh, whom they saw as a jealous and wrathful deity and an opponent of the supreme God whom Jesus came to earth to reveal.


There is that magic #13 again. Jealous is #13? OK sounds like there is some demetria in this gospel. Definitely astrotheology.

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Whoever wrote the Gospel of Judas was a harsh critic of mainstream Christianity and its rituals. Because Judas is a demon working for Ialdabaoth, the author believed, when Judas sacrifices Jesus he does so to the demons, not to the supreme God. This mocks mainstream Christians’ belief in the atoning value of Jesus’ death and in the effectiveness of the Eucharist.


WOW! A must read! :twisted:

So N.G. screwed up. Now where do we get a more accurate translation? :?

Thank goodness people were smart enough to hide their copies of these stories so that we would know the truth eventually or at least have an idea of the truth. Thing is, people need to get the translation right.

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Here's a little more. I pulled from my personal library Marvin Meyer et al's The Gospel of Judas translation and commentary. I haven't gotten into the Judas text itself yet and probably won't this weekend because I have too many papers due next week, but the intro is fascinating.

The priests and bishops were not pleased with freethinkers. :lol: What else is new? They had heresy hunters (heresiologists). Nothing new there. The believe this gospel was composed around the middle of the second century, which is around the same time of the Vulgar literature.

Judas makes mention of Seth (p 6-7 of Meyer et al intro).

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The Gospel of Judas makes mention of Seth, well known from the biblical book of Genesis, and concludes that human beings with the knowledge of God belong to the generation of Seth. In the story told in the Book of Genesis, Seth, third son of Adam and Eve, was born after the tragic violence in the dysfunctional first family, which left Abel dead and Cain banished. Seth, it is suggested, represents a new beginning for humanity. To belong to the generation of Seth, then, according to the Gospel of Judas and simlar Sethian books, is to be part of the enlightened humanity.


OK, Egyptian again. I guess that is the midrash I was "sensing" in the N.Y. Time's commentary on The Gospel of Judas.

I'm sure this will be a fascinating read when I have more time to actually sit down and read it all. I wonder if Pagels has anything written about it? It would be nice to compare notes.

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Acharya, I have a question for you.

I'm reading Marvin Meyer et al's book concerning The Gospel of Judas, as you can figure by this thread.

Anyway...Scene I they are having eucharist/thanksgiving. pp 20-21 Jesus laughs and they ask him why. He answers and they reply:

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"They said, "Master, you are [...] the son of our god." (subscript 14)

Jesus said to them, "How do you know me? Truly (I) say to you, (subscript 15) no generation of the people that are among you will know me." (subscript 16)


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14 in the footnotes says Cf. the confessions of Peter in Matthew 16:13-20, Mark 8:27, and Luke 9:18-21. Here, however the deisciples mistakenly confess that Jesus is the son of their own god.

15: Or "Amen I say to you." This is the standard introductory statement of authority in sayings of Jesus in early Christian literature. Here and elsewhere in the Gospel of Judas, the statement is given with the Coptic ђamēn (from the Hebrew 'amen).

16 In the Gospel of Judas and other Sethian texts, the human generation are distinguished from the "that generation...
it goes on to give more Coptic words and to mention "the great generation of Seth-- that is, the gnostics." and says "else where in Sethian lit.-- for example, in the Rev of Adam-- the people of Seth can similarly be described as "those people"" and another Coptic word.

Here's the question: I am assuming this actuallly Amen Ra given the Sethian reference. Would I be wrong in assuming that?

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