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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:27 am 
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I wonder why one of the favorite books 'Esther' wouldn't be found in the DSS. I have the DSS but have never bothered to read them fully through and I have had them for decades also. I have also read other authors on the DSS, but so long ago my memory is vague. I would have to leave it up to the up to date specialists to either confirm or explain any divergences. I understand there was much controversy surrounding the DSS which are not yet finished.

Yet while the Old Testament books are in them, they preserve evidence of considerable diversity of belief and practice within late Second Temple Judaism. They are written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, mostly on parchment, but with some written on papyrus. some manuscripts of the books of Exodus and Samuel found in Cave Four exhibit dramatic differences in both language and content. In their astonishing range of textual variants, the Qumran biblical discoveries have prompted scholars to reconsider the once-accepted theories of the development of the modern biblical text from only three manuscript families: of the Masoretic text, of the Hebrew original of the Septuagint, and of the Samaritan Pentateuch. It is now becoming increasingly clear that the Old Testament scripture was extremely fluid until its canonization around A.D. 100."

So you see even here how things are not as unified in form, language and content to the wording as you presume. I mean there were 39 volumes in all. Just like the New Testament, doctrines are not as singularly monolithic in their outlooks as they were before chosen ones were canonised. But again, this is preist-monkey business, as they fight over how and whose books, whose scriptures should be considered correct and 'historical'.

Again, not much historical in those books either, as they are preist-scribe crafted assemblies of the legends of others syncretised with their own base beliefs to justify their own importance and secondarily to provide a code of behaaviour that nullified every decent thing that was transposed alongside the barbaric crap the Israeli's 'God' demanded that they do......like slaugher, destroy, steal etc. The bane of religon and BELIEF!

The OT is as much crap as is the NT...except for the smidgin of legitimate moral/spiritual protestations to be found in them. In any case, no single author can be assigned to any of the known script, nor the validity of the stories, and characters developed in them. Certainly not from god, but attributed to a god by rat-fink preist cabals on unwitting illiterate sheep. It too was imposed upon a people. It made them, not they it to some extent.

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Dead Sea Scrolls Not Written by Essenes

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http://tbknews.blogspot.com/2009/03/dea ... senes.html


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For decades, the origin of the Dead Sea Scrolls has been intensely debated.

The prevailing theory is that these ancient documents, which include texts from the Hebrew Bible, were written over the three centuries before A.D. 100 by a Jewish sect known as the Essenes, who were based in Qumran, a settlement at the northwest shore of the Dead Sea near the caves where the scrolls were found between 1947 and 1956.

An alternative theory, passionately proffered by a University of Chicago professor, is that the scrolls' authors were not Essenes, and that the scrolls themselves were kept in various libraries in Jerusalem until they were hidden in the caves around Qumran for safekeeping during the Roman war of A.D. 67 to 73. Qumran, he has said, was not an Essene monastery but a fortress, one of several armed defensive bastions around Jerusalem.

The professor, Norman Golb, has stood behind his theory despite significant criticism. His son, Raphael Haim Golb, has been one of his greatest allies.

But prosecutors said Thursday that Raphael Golb took defending his father's theory too far. Golb is accused of using the stolen identities of various people, including a New York University professor who disagreed with his father, to elevate his father's theory and besmirch its critics, Robert Morgenthau, the Manhattan district attorney, said at a news conference.


More at (http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/03/06/ ... crolls.php)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:08 am 
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Does anyone know of a very Scholarly Translation for the Dead Sea Scrolls? I have been looking for one either online or for a reference to a book title but have not found one yet. A good Word for Word Translation is great. I found various ones but have seen that they usually are missing information in them.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:26 pm 
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Dr. Robert Eisenman was a main mover behind getting the Dead Sea Scrolls released to the public. You might check with him or his works.

Other than that your best bet is to use Google book search.

As much as I detest Wiki, they actually have a lengthy article on the Dead Sea Scrolls that may be worth checking out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_scrolls

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 Post subject: Re: Dead Sea Scrolls
PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:25 am 
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For those who haven't found many books in regards to translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls here are four books I have found on the subject which give translations:

The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls in English by Geza Vermes
http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Dead-Sea ... eknownfoun

The Dead Sea Scrolls - Revised Edition: A New Translation by Michael Wise, Martin Abegg jr. and Edward Cook.
http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Sea-Scrolls- ... eknownfoun

The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible: The Oldest Known Bible Translated for the First Time into English by Peter Flint, Eugene Ulrich and Martin Abegg jr.
http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Sea-Scrolls- ... eknownfoun

The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered: The First Complete Translation and Interpretation of 50 Key Documents Withheld for over 35 Years by Robert Eisenman and Michael Wise
http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Sea-Scrolls- ... eknownfoun

Each of these books provide excellent scholarly commentary in regards to the texts and I hope this helps anyone else looking for english translations of the Dead Sea Scrolls.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:04 pm 
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You can probably find all of those books up at Google books too.

Video: Dead Sea Scrolls 1.1 Robert Eisenman



There are at least 10 of these videos so I'm not posting them all here.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:10 pm 
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Having reviewed the subject in more detail than I would have liked I can say the following.

There are three topics this subject, the scrolls themselves, the Essenes and Qumran. There is no connection in evidence between any of them in any combination.

For example, the DSS were found near Qumran does not establish a connection any more than my living near a bank makes the money mine.

I may be wrong of course. If anyone has learned of evidence, not argumentation, please post it.

Excuse me, there is one more truth here. The DSS brings the crazies out of the woodwork.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:17 am 
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Dead Sea Scrolls Mystery Solved?

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The Dead Sea Scrolls are one of the best-known and most essential historical files discovered in years. The ancient documents are mainly housed in museums in the Middle East. The biggest variety of Dead Sea Scrolls has been stored in the Israel Museum. The museum has faced criticism about the restricted admittance they supply to the files. Now the Israel Museum has partnered with Google to offer digital access to the files. Digitized Dead Sea Scrolls providing worldwide access. This documents must be kept in a place where it is safe because as we all know that this documents are very important.


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Freethinkaluva22 wrote:
What are your thoughts on the infamous Dead Sea Scrolls?


I would love to own a true translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls. But which one is the right one?


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TonyVanDam wrote:
Freethinkaluva22 wrote:
What are your thoughts on the infamous Dead Sea Scrolls?


I would love to own a true translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls. But which one is the right one?


Hi Tony

The one from Geza Vermes


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The DSS will be available for viewing this month for the first time in America I believe right here in Boston. I have already ordered my tickets. Is there anything especially interesting I should look for? I will do some research on the subject as well before I go, as I do not how much will be viewable and to what extent.


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