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Christ in Egypt is great! I just finished reading through the final conclusion. Christian bias among scholarship has been fully exposed to all! Hopefully shinning a bright light on this bias will serve to start breaking it down.

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It's pretty intensive isn't it. The citation is meticulous and everything is covered thoroughly. Yet, it is written so well that it keeps you reading. Now, that you've finished it & can go back through the book what are your thoughts on where the book really stood out?

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Christ in Egypt is great! I just finished reading through the final conclusion. Christian bias among scholarship has been fully exposed to all! Hopefully shinning a bright light on this bias will serve to start breaking it down.

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I'm mostly concerned with the Alexandrian hybridizing environment myself. I like how she quoted the Egyptian texts themselves throughout the book and then compared them with the gospel of John in certain instances just make the point. I'll be posting some quotes that I enjoyed over the next few days.

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These quotes are good for when people get confused about the different mythic characters that all represent the sun, thinking that Osiris is not the sun and some of the other confusion I've heard around here on the forum in the past:

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“In any event, as the sun progresses through the day and night, “he” becomes a number of characters – or changes his epithets and characteristics, as it were, as he merges with other gods – beginning with the rising sun, Horus, who at noon becomes Re, who at sunset becomes Tmu or Atum, who at midnight becomes Osiris, who becomes Horus at sunrise, and so on.” – D.M Murdock, “Christ in Egypt: The Horus – Jesus Connection


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“Concerning the sacred fusion of Egyptian Gods, James Allen comments:

Although the Egyptians recognized most natural and social phenomena as separate divine forces, they also realized that many of these were interrelated and could also be understood as different aspects of a single divine force. That realization is expressed in the practice known as “syncretism,” the combining of several gods into one.

As is the case in other religions and mythologies, such as the Indian, the Egyptian faith at times has appeared to represent a sort of “polytheistic monotheism” or “polytheistic monism” that ascribes divinity to a vast proportion of creation, while maintaining the cosmos to be one. Hence, in the Egyptian texts we find prayers to one god or goddess that include the names or epithets of many other gods or goddesses.” D.M Murdock, “Christ in Egypt: The Horus – Jesus Connection”

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Nice selection of quotes 8)

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I just finished it, & having great fun picking out quotes & posting them in forums to refute all the apologist bs!


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EXCELLENT!!!

Hey, I hope when people are quoting they're also citing it properly including the title & page number so other readers may easily find them.

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Here's a link to the CIE reviews at Amazon: Link

Two schmucks have given CIE a one star review, but in both cases they were openly exposed for trying to give a bad review without actually reading the book in the first place, or reading the book but choosing to lie about it in their reviews. Judging by the content of the reviews my guess is that they didn't actually read the book.

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Thanks for that Tat. And thanks to whoever posted comments pointing out the dishonesty because that's all we can do is show how dishonest they are. Of course, some people, whether theist or atheist are going to try to sabotage Acharya's work however they can - these two 1 star reviewers obviously never read the book or at minimum lied about it.

Keep your eye on all of Acharya's books as they try to attack her with other dishonest 1 star book reviews as well -

Voting on the better reviews keeps them up top too. :wink:

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Christianity is a Egyptian Myth

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Excellent presentation! I just posted it over on Gary's thread to get his feedback on the video and implications.

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D.M. Murdock could well be the most brilliant, insightful and rigorous theologian writing today. Her tour-de-force, Christ in Egypt - The Horus-Jesus Connection, sets an explosive challenge to the cowardly toadies of conventional theology, by simply applying the same modern standards of evidence and reason to Christian sources as scientific research applies to any normal topic.

Of course, Christianity is not a normal topic, and is beset by taboos, vested interests and emotional doctrinal barriers. Murdock is a heretic, a class of thinker often regarded with disapproval. Heretics have traditionally been persecuted by the church as beyond the pale of civilized discourse. However, if heresy is truth, it is unethical and fallacious for the church to reject heretical findings on the sole ground that they differ from received opinion. The heresy of Egyptian origins of Christian dogma offends deeply felt Judeo-Christian prejudice about the separation of God and nature. But, as Christ in Egypt abundantly proves, dogmatic mainstream Christian prejudices lack any mandate in logic or evidence.

Murdock’s ostracism by the appointed keepers of mainstream discourse is a scandal, reflecting a gross lack of scholarly integrity on the part of those who vilify and exclude her work. Such exclusion is thoroughly corrupt, but this is the depth to which debate on religion has sunk. Murdock is leading a transformation in the nature of religious understanding, in an emerging movement of creative destruction that will restore integrity and logic to theological discourse. However, like the flat-earthers who condemned Galileo and Giordano Bruno, true believers in Christian dogma are frightened of change and dismissive of evidence, and hide behind institutional walls of circular reasoning. Murdock’s writing is a major contribution to breaking down these walls in order to put religion on a new basis of observation and logic. Perhaps her work will even help Christianity to achieve its redeeming potential and escape its current lack of spiritual vision.

The scientific detective story of Christian origins has foundered on the lack of evidence to confirm Gospel accounts. Christ in Egypt, in looking for this evidence, provides a major forensic advance for Christian history. Sadly for the church, the evidence reveals a litany of fraud, lies, delusion and oppression by Christian authorities. Murdock invites her readers to think seriously about the most plausible psychological and political explanations of the actual evidence, against the context of the wholesale destruction of ancient sources by the Christian bigots of the Dark Ages.

As the Roman Empire expanded its oppressive attack on Egyptian religion, what would have happened to the adherents of the ancient faith? Would they have meekly accepted the cultural genocide sought by the Empire, or would they have tried to adapt to the new violent dispensation? Of course, adaptation is the obvious strategy of response.

Isis, Horus and Osiris were immensely popular divinities in the ancient West. Their adherents surely had the wit to continue the ritual observance of their mythic traditions by re-badging them. This is just what happened. Osiris was resurrected as Lazarus, Isis turned into Mary, and their sister Nephthys found a niche as Martha. Similarly, Horus, Egyptian God of the morning sun, morphed into Jesus Christ. These evolutionary interpretations of Christian mythology have a compelling explanatory value in material, etymological and cultural terms. Such memetic analysis can rescue Christianity from its pigeonhole as a stagnant irrational curiosity and open the potential for the church to be reconciled with the rest of human life, if only it can show some humility about its errors.

Among the numerous facts in Christ in Egypt, one I found intriguing, as a way of setting orthodoxy within a larger theoretical framework, is a quote from the book Against Heresies by Irenaeus of Lyon, where he attacks the Gnostic heresy of the ‘Duodecad of the Aeons’ (p223). This obscure heresy, the idea that there are twelve Ages, is informative for Murdock’s interpretation of religious formation. The cosmic framework in which ancient theology emerged is claimed by Christianity to come from a supernatural God, but is actually grounded in the astronomical observation of precession of the equinox around the zodiac, known as the Great Year. Precession provides the scientific basis to interpret Christian symbolism against its mythic context. It is a matter of astronomical fact that the cycle of time establishes twelve zodiacal ages in the Great Year. There are numerous references to the Great Year throughout the Bible. The twelve foundation stones of the holy city are the twelve Aeons, Christ as Alpha and Omega is the turning point of time between two Great Years, the end of the Aeon or Age discussed by Christ is the end of the Age of Pisces, and the various fish and lamb symbols indicate the natural temporal shift of the sun from the Age of Aries (the lamb) to the Age of Pisces (the fish) at the time of Christ. Murdock comments that rather than being a real person, Jesus Christ symbolizes the mythical avatar of the Piscean Age (p457).

Such ideas were viewed by the church as heresy. The Gnostics were condemned for seeking to explain in natural terms how eternal truth could be manifest in human life. Their cosmic framework of twelve ages, with Christ symbolizing the turning point of time, provided a purely empirical explanation for Jesus as a symbol of the connection between humanity and eternity. Precession explains how our planet is evolving against what Ezekiel called the ‘wheels within wheels’ of the cosmos and what Plato, in the Timaeus, called the relation between the same (the cosmos) and the different (the solar system) (p227). This Gnostic heresy of the twelve ages provides an accurate scientific basis to understand the real nature of Christ.

The problem was that Gnostic cosmology, for all its scientific basis, would struggle to inspire a mass movement. The cosmic Gnostic vision was too large and slow and obscure and real to provide the basis for a political church. What the church needed was a single believable historical myth, so it set out to mangle all available material against this finite practical goal. The Gnostics saw face to face, but the ignorance of the church, requiring simple popular dogma, could only read the Gospels through a glass darkly. Gnosticism interpreted Christ in spiritual or Docetic terms as the avatar of the Great Year and the Age of Pisces, but such cosmic vision conflicted with the historical claim of an incarnate saviour, and therefore had to be condemned as heresy, even though it was entirely true.

This explanation of the suppression of ancient wisdom about the Great Year is just one example of how Christ in Egypt gives us eyes to see the Bible against an empirical scientific framework. Similar examples throughout the book enable us to see the Bible as a cosmic detective story. We can imagine how the original enlightened authors of the Gospel texts struggled against a corrupt priesthood to retain references to the big slow cosmic story of human redemption. The Therapeuts of Alexandria, the real authors of the Gospels, were not a single unified movement. Cosmic Gnostic visionaries among them gave the story its real power and direction, based in Egyptian theology of the Great Year. Cosmic ideas were anathema to the monotheist dogmatists who proved ultimately triumphant in the church, but the dogmatists could not totally suppress the natural theory of time that provides the Gospels with its redemptive truth.

As we move now towards the end of the Age of Pisces and the dawn of the Age of Aquarius, a new Aquarian cosmic faith is emerging that can see the Bible with new eyes. Magical visions such as the Apocalypse of John can now be revealed as having a continuity with ancient visions from the millennia before the time of Christ, and as pointing towards the rediscovery of a natural theology. Murdock’s Christ in Egypt helps set the foundation for this transformation of human consciousness, finding the concealed fragments of truth within the Gospels in order to reconstruct our continuity with the perennial philosophy of Thoth and Horus, as above so below.


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Robert, that's a fantastic review! I just noticed it at Amazon too.

Thank you for taking the time to write such a great review.

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Jesus would approve of Christ in Egypt. See....

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Acharya is getting attacked with horrendous 1 star reviews at Amazon by people who've clearly never read the books. Read the comments too. So, in response, some have been soooo kind to come forward to write great reviews and Acharya is very thankful.
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Life-changing, academically sound, and necessary!, May 28, 2011
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"Christ In Egypt" is an eye-opening book, with so much academic and historic reference that is almost difficult to read. This book makes the clearest connection ever made between the Horus typology of ancient Egypt, and the Christ story which evolved much later. After reading this, I was convinced...and still am...that historically, Christ is a myth formulated around an existing myth that seemed to provide the proper historic and typological references needed to sustain it and define it. I was a pastor for 25 years, and am a graduate of Emory University and Candler School of Theology (M.Div, Ph.D), and I can tell you that this book both shook me and set me free. Thanks, Archaya for writing this book, and putting it out there like this. Your guns were loaded!!

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