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Yes, I've heard that story, daithi.

Balu, that is what I was saying. What I want to know is how it was created. How did they calculate it all and so forth.


There was the Julian Calendar which was already in existence then right? I think the year no. 284 or something in that calendar was taken as Year 1 of AD/CE. The year before that would be 1 BC.

This system is different from the Hindu system where the year is denoted by the completed number of years just like we tell our ages. So there would be a zero year in our systems.


Yes, I believe the Julian Calendar existed, but I still don't comprehend how they calculated the current calendar.

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If I remember correctly, Julius Caesar spent a couple of years studying with the high priests in Egypt (the same ones Pythagoras and Plato hung out with) and he came back with the new calendar.

Depending on the dating of his visit it might also have had something to do with him wanting to wipe out the Druids in Britain. Or that might have been another Caesar.

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If I remember correctly, Julius Caesar spent a couple of years studying with the high priests in Egypt (the same ones Pythagoras and Plato hung out with) and he came back with the new calendar.

Depending on the dating of his visit it might also have had something to do with him wanting to wipe out the Druids in Britain. Or that might have been another Caesar.


I thought Pythagorus learnt his mathematics in India and the Druids were respectable guys during pre-Christian days. :shock: Weren't they something like the Brahmins of Europe?

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Well as far as Ireland goes the Druids left no written records at all so we can only speculate on exactly what it was they believed.
Augustus tried to expel Astrologers from the Roman empire, maybe thats what Mr Bridger means? Btw, it wasn't that Augustus didn't believe in Astrology, rather it was their influence he feared.


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Well as far as Ireland goes the Druids left no written records at all so we can only speculate on exactly what it was they believed.


See this. It is interesting.

http://northernway.org/school/onwarticles.html

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The other two philosophers who were to influence Pythagoras, and to introduce him to mathematical ideas, were Thales and his pupil Anaximander who both lived on Miletus. In [8] it is said that Pythagoras visited Thales in Miletus when he was between 18 and 20 years old. By this time Thales was an old man and, although he created a strong impression on Pythagoras, he probably did not teach him a great deal. However he did contribute to Pythagoras's interest in mathematics and astronomy, and advised him to travel to Egypt to learn more of these subjects. Thales's pupil, Anaximander, lectured on Miletus and Pythagoras attended these lectures. Anaximander certainly was interested in geometry and cosmology and many of his ideas would influence Pythagoras's own views.

In about 535 BC Pythagoras went to Egypt. This happened a few years after the tyrant Polycrates seized control of the city of Samos. There is some evidence to suggest that Pythagoras and Polycrates were friendly at first and it is claimed [5] that Pythagoras went to Egypt with a letter of introduction written by Polycrates. In fact Polycrates had an alliance with Egypt and there were therefore strong links between Samos and Egypt at this time. The accounts of Pythagoras's time in Egypt suggest that he visited many of the temples and took part in many discussions with the priests. According to Porphyry ([12] and [13]) Pythagoras was refused admission to all the temples except the one at Diospolis where he was accepted into the priesthood after completing the rites necessary for admission.

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~his ... goras.html


I think Pythagoras did the whole mystery school grand tour holiday thing, stopping off at many esoteric hotspots, including those in India. Acharya mentioned in one of her interviews (www.consciousmedianetwork.com) that St. Paul/Orpheus completed a similar lap around the ancient world.

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The fact of the matter is that the famous, well known Greeks (Europeans) whom we study and revere in school curricula today all studied at the feet of the ancient Egyptians–Afrikans in the Nile Valley, Kemet. For example, Plato studied at the Temple of Waset for 11 years; Aristotle was there for 11-13 years; Socrates 15 years Euclid stayed for 10-11 years; Pythegoras for 22 yeasrs; Hypocrates studies for 20 years; and the other Greeks who matriculated at Waset included Diodorus, Solon, Thales, Archimides, and Euripides. Indeed, the Greek, St. Clement of Alexanddria, once said that if you were to write a book of 1,000 pages, you would not be able to put down the names of all the Greeks who went to Kemet to be educated and even those who did not surreptitiously claim they went because it was prestigious. “ Herodotus said it, Plato confirmed it and Aristotle never denied it”.

http://www.trinicenter.com/kwame/20010615c.htm


With the Druids, there are the stories of the Celts having strong ties to older Mediterranean cultures, particularly in the case of being hired as mercenaries, so there is a high likelyhood that the common ideas were able to spread quite easily through these routes a long time ago.

The Druids also knew how to 'work' the calendars/observatories such as Stone Henge, so it could be the case that they're a branch of the 'pre-flood' culture that built the things, with the Egyptians, Brahmins etc being other branches, rather than one having sprung from the other.

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This website explaining the Aztec calendar is really cool.

The Aztec Calendar: The Pointer
http://www.earthmatrix.com/serie02/cuad02-1.htm

http://www.earthmatrix.com/serie02/cuad02-2.htm#

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"The fact is that our present Gregorian calendar is set-up to date from what was considered the year of the birth of Jesus Christ. Every time an individual writes out a check or signs a document he or she is acknowledging the amount of time that has passed since the birth of the Christian Savior. Does this respect the rights of those that are not of the Christian faith?"

"The 13-month calendar was introduced into modern times by French philosopher Auguste Comte who studied the Polynesian 13-moon, 28-day calendar for 7 years and, in 1849, initiated the first reform of the Gregorian calendar to be based on the 13-moon calendar. Since that time, this calendar has been proposed on numerous occasions, preferred for its perfection and regularity."

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You know that makes a little more sense for the human body. Women's bodies have a 28 day cycle (except during menopause). When I was pregnant with my sons, both doctor said women carry children 10 lunar months (not 9 calendar months).

OK that is mostly the woman's body, but men go through a form of menopause too, so I would suspect they have some sort of 28 day cycle too, but it is not as evident as women's cycles.

I also think if we look into the cycles of animals, we might find a 28 day cycle too. My Tonk appears to go into heat about every 28 days. They too carry their litters some multiple of 28.

IF we allow ourselves, our bodies fall in sync with the earth's rhythm and in effect is more harmonized. Of course with how humans operate as a society, it makes it difficult to fall into sync with nature.

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The Lunar calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_calendar

The Solar calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_calendar

Celtic Calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_calendar

Maya calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar

The Julian calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar

The Babylonian calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylonian_calendar

The ancient civil Egyptian calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_calendar

Hindu Calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_calendar

The Hebrew calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar

The Islamic calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_calendar

The Chinese calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_calendar

The Japanese calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_calendar

The Gregorian calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar

Anno Domini (BC/AD etc)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anno_Domini

International Fixed Calendar

"The International Perpetual calendar is based on the Positivist Calendar published in 1849 by French philosopher Auguste Comte (1798-1857). Comte based his calendar on Polynesian calendars."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio ... d_Calendar

The Perpetual calendar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_calendar

Calendar reform
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar_reform

Solar calendar images

Lunar calendar images

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Adam’s Calendar

The Oldest Man-made Structures on Earth.

Older than the Giza pyramids

Older than Stonehenge

A 75,000 year-old stone calendar - In the cradle of humankind

A new discovery of an ancient circular monolithic stone calendar site in Mpumalanga has proven to be at least 75,000 years old, pre-dating any other structure found to date. Southern Africa holds some of the deepest mysteries in all of human history. What we are told is that at around 60,000 years ago the early humans migrated from Africa and populated the rest of the world.

Who were these first humans? What did they do? And where did they disappear to?

It estimated that there are over 100 000 ancient stone ruins scattered throughout the mountains of southern Africa. Artefacts that have been recovered from these ruins show a long and extended period of settlement that spans to over 200,000 years. The most spectacular examples of these ancient ruins are RIGHT HERE within walking distance. Modern historians have been speculating about the origins of these ruins, often calling them ‘cattle kraal of little historic importance’. The truth of the matter is that closer scientific inspection shows that we actually know very little about these spectacular ancient ruins. It is a great tragedy that thousands have already been destroyed through sheer ignorance but forestry and farmers have now started to protect these ruin. Adam’s Calendar is the flagship among these ruins because we can date this monolithic calendar with relative certainty to at least 75,000 years of age based on a number of scientific evaluations. Adam’s Calendar also presents the first tangible evidence of consciousness among the earliest humans in the ‘Cradle of humankind’. The site is built along the same longitudinal line as Great Zimbabwe and the Great Pyramid. It is also aligned with the rise of Orion’s belt some 75,000 years ago.

Adam’s Calendar

This is possibly the only example of a functional, mostly in-tact monolithic stone calendar in the world. The founder of Adam’s Calendar, Johan Heine, observes as the shadow of the setting sun on the summer solstice 21 Dec. As the sun sets the shadow slides off the edge – only to resume its path back to the opposite edge where it stops on the winter solstice, 21 June."

"This remarkable stone structure was originally a large circular structure resembling but predating Stonehenge by many thousands of years. Adam's calendar is built along the same longitudinal line as Great Zimbabwe and the Great Pyramid. It is also aligned with the rise of Orion's belt when it rose horizontally on the horizon some 75,000 years ago. Adam's calendar takes us further back in time closer to the emergence of Homo sapiens, than any other structure ever found to date, and it will force historians and archaeologist to reconsider ancient human activity and consciousness."
http://www.adamscalendar.com/pages/index.php


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Astronomical Alignment
http://www.makomati.org/pages/adams-calendar.php

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The Computus Runicus - Gotland 1328

Old Norse Runic calender with additional reference to "Cyclus Solaris"

http://www.arild-hauge.com/computus_runicus.htm


NB! Norse calender was based on moon cycles. Sun dials with reference was divided into eight cycles of day - Old Norse - Eykt

Page 2 will show the " solis in signa zodiaci " mentioned.

Interesting because Norse culture was seemingly under the influence of calender and writing traditions closer to far east cultures regarding the moon and cuneiform ( Sumerians, AkKadians). Different from other parts in Europe that show early signs of Egyptian influence.

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Two Suns By 2012?

Two Suns? Twin Stars Could Be Visible From Earth By 2012

"Earth could be getting a second sun, at least temporarily.

Dr. Brad Carter, Senior Lecturer of Physics at the University of Southern Queensland, outlined the scenario to news.com.au. Betelgeuse, one of the night sky's brightest stars, is losing mass, indicating it is collapsing. It could run out of fuel and go super-nova at any time.

When that happens, for at least a few weeks, we'd see a second sun, Carter says. There may also be no night during that timeframe.

The Star Wars-esque scenario could happen by 2012, Carter says... or it could take longer. The explosion could also cause a neutron star or result in the formation of a black hole 1300 light years from Earth, reports news.com.au.

But doomsday sayers should be careful about speculation on this one. If the star does go super-nova, Earth will be showered with harmless particles, according to Carter. "They will flood through the Earth and bizarrely enough, even though the supernova we see visually will light up the night sky, 99 per cent of the energy in the supernova is released in these particles that will come through our bodies and through the Earth with absolutely no harm whatsoever," he told news.com.au.

In fact, a neutrino shower could be beneficial to Earth. According to Carter this "star stuff" makes up the universe. "It literally makes things like gold, silver - all the heavy elements - even things like uranium....a star like Betelgeuse is instantly forming for us all sorts of heavy elements and atoms that our own Earth and our own bodies have from long past supernovi," said Carter."

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Speaking of "Time and Calendars"

George Carlin- Does the time bother you? 1978

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The age of archaeoastronomical knowledge keeps being pushed back in many countries. Prevailing wisdom has claimed that not much culture existed in lands north of the Mediterranean this far back. Unconventional scholarship has posited otherwise for centuries.

Gobekli Tepe in Turkey is an older site supposedly. It would not surprise me if it possessed astronomical significance. Since it widely believed to be a temple, Gobekli could be deemed the oldest known astrotheological construction.

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'World's oldest calendar' discovered in Scottish field

Archaeologists believe they have discovered the world's oldest lunar "calendar" in an Aberdeenshire field.

Excavations of a field at Crathes Castle found a series of 12 pits which appear to mimic the phases of the moon and track lunar months.

A team led by the University of Birmingham suggests the ancient monument was created by hunter-gatherers about 10,000 years ago.

The pit alignment, at Warren Field, was first excavated in 2004.

The experts who analysed the pits said they may have contained a wooden post.

The Mesolithic "calendar" is thousands of years older than previous known formal time-measuring monuments created in Mesopotamia.

The analysis has been published in the journal, Internet Archaeology.

The pit alignment also aligns on the Midwinter sunrise to provided the hunter-gatherers with an annual "astronomic correction" in order to better follow the passage of time and changing seasons.

Vince Gaffney, Professor of Landscape Archaeology at Birmingham, led the analysis project.

He said: "The evidence suggests that hunter-gatherer societies in Scotland had both the need and sophistication to track time across the years, to correct for seasonal drift of the lunar year and that this occurred nearly 5,000 years before the first formal calendars known in the Near East.

"In doing so, this illustrates one important step towards the formal construction of time and therefore history itself."

The universities of St Andrews, Leicester and Bradford were also involved.

Dr Richard Bates, of the University of St Andrews, said the discovery provided "exciting new evidence" of the early Mesolithic Scotland.

He added: "This is the earliest example of such a structure and there is no known comparable site in Britain or Europe for several thousands of years after the monument at Warren Field was constructed."

The Warren Field site was first discovered as unusual crop marks spotted from the air by the Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland (RCAHMS).

Dave Cowley, aerial survey projects manager at RCAHMS, said: "We have been taking photographs of the Scottish landscape for nearly 40 years, recording thousands of archaeological sites that would never have been detected from the ground.

"Warren Field stands out as something special, however. It is remarkable to think that our aerial survey may have helped to find the place where time itself was invented."

Crathes Castle and its estate is in the care of the National Trust for Scotland (NTS).

From 2004 to 2006, trust staff and Murray Archaeological Services excavated the site.

NTS archaeologist Dr Shannon Fraser said: "This is a remarkable monument, which is so far unique in Britain.

"Our excavations revealed a fascinating glimpse into the cultural lives of people some 10,000 years ago - and now this latest discovery further enriches our understanding of their relationship with time and the heavens."


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World's Oldest Calendar Discovered in Scotland

The oldest calendar known to exist was created some 5,000 years ago in Mesopotamia—but it's looking positively youthful in the face of a new find in northern Scotland. A dig at Warren Field in Aberdeenshire in 2004 is just now giving up its secrets, with archaeologists revealing that a series of 12 pits found there may in fact be the world's oldest calendar. They believe the Stone Age-era pits each acted as a stand-in for a calendar month, with the 12 collectively representing a year. Additionally, the pits may have collectively represented a single lunar month, and their varied depths in the 165-foot arc-shaped row indicate that time period was split into what the Independent calls three "weeks"—waxing, full, and waning.

The Australian calls out two notable aspects of the pits: For one, Scotland's prehistoric hunter-gatherer tribes have long been considered "civilization's late starters"; the find somewhat unravels that belief. Second, their calendar took into account "lunar drift"; because lunar months don't precisely align with the passage of a year, most early calendars tracked only the former. But these pits would have been able to reveal the arrival of the midwinter solstice and, with it, the year's end, a further indication of the people's sophistication. A neat side note from the BBC: The Warren Field site was identified as one worth investigating via odd crop marks seen from above by the country's Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments.

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Found after 10,000 years: the world’s first calendar

Humans had a sophisticated calendrical system thousands of years earlier than previously thought, according to new research.

The discovery is based on a detailed analysis of data from an archaeological site in northern Scotland – a row of ancient pits which archaeologists believe is the world’s oldest calendar. It is almost five thousand years older than its nearest rival – an ancient calendar from Bronze Age Mesopotamia.

Created by Stone Age Britons some 10,000 years ago, archaeologists believe that the complex of pits was designed to represent the months of the year and the lunar phases of the month. They believe it also allowed the observation of the mid-winter sunrise – in effect the birth of the new year – so that the lunar calendar could be annually re-calibrated to bring it back into line with the solar year.

Remarkably the monument was in use for some 4,000 years – from around 8,000BC (the early Mesolithic period) to around 4,000BC (the early Neolithic).

The pits were periodically re-cut – probably dozens of times, possibly hundreds of times – over those four millennia. It is therefore impossible to know whether or not they originally held timber posts or standing stones after they were first dug 10,000 years ago. However variations in the depths of the pits suggest that the arc had a complex design - with each lunar month potentially divided into three roughly ten day ‘weeks’ – representing the waxing moon, the gibbous/full moon and the waning moon.

The 50 metre long row of 12 main pits was arranged as an arc facing a v-shaped dip in the horizon out of which the sun rose on mid-winter’s day. There are 12.37 lunar cycles (lunar months) in a solar year – and the archaeologists believe that each pit represented a particular month, with the entire arc representing a year.

The 12 pits may also have played a second role by representing the lunar month. Mirroring the phases of the moon, the waxing and the waning of which takes 29 and half days, the succession of pits, arranged in a shallow arc (perhaps symbolizing the movement of the moon across the sky), starts small and shallow at one end, grows in diameter and depth towards the middle of the arc and then wanes in size at the other end.

In its role as an annual calendar (covering 12 months – one for each pit), a pattern of alternating pit depths suggests that adjacent months may have been paired in some way, potentially reflecting some sort of dualistic cosmological belief system – known in the ethnographic and historical record in many parts of the world, but not previously detected archaeologically from the Stone Age.

Keeping track of time would have been of immense economic and spiritual use to the hunter gatherer communities of the Mesolithic period. Their calendar would have helped them to pinpoint the precise time that animal herds could be expected to migrate or the most likely time that salmon might begin to run.

But Stone Age communal leaders – potentially including Shamans – may also have used the calendar to give themselves the appearance of being able to predict or control the seasons or the behaviour of the moon and the sun.

The site – at Warren Field, Crathes, Aberdeenshire – was excavated in 2004 by the National Trust for Scotland, but the data was only analysed in detail over the past six months using the specially written software which permitted an interactive exploration of the relationship between the 12 pits, the local topography and the movements of the moon and the sun.

The analysis has been carried out by a team of specialists led by Professor Vincent Gaffney of the University of Birmingham.

“The research demonstrates that Stone Age society 10,000 years ago was much more sophisticated than we had previously suspected. The site has implications for the way we understand how Mesolithic society developed in economic, social and cosmological terms, ” said Professor Gaffney.

“The evidence suggests that hunter-gatherer societies in Scotland had both the need and sophistication to track time across the years, to correct for seasonal drift of the lunar year and that this occurred nearly 5000 years before the first formal calendars known in the Near East. In doing so, this illustrates one important step towards the formal construction of time and therefore history itself,” he said.

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Stone age Scots 'first to master time'

SCOTLAND'S prehistoric huntergatherer tribes, widely seen as civilisation's late starters, may have been among the first humans to form a concept of time - including creating an annual calendar.

Archeologists have found evidence that they built a giant "year clock" capable of tracking the passing of lunar months and linking these to the changing of the seasons, so enabling them to prepare for changes in food supply.

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