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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:11 pm 
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Time and Calendars

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Many early civilizations have designed their own calendars. Where can I find on-line or in my local library, origins of assumed time and dates in different cultures? Such as B.C., A.D. etc.
Thank you.

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Dear Larry,

All calenders take a certain important point in history or religion as a starting point:

* Jews: beginning of the world
* Christians: birth of Jesus Christ.
* Muslims: Mohamed moving from Mekka to Medina etc.

The abbreviations you mention are not calenders used by other cultures, but are used in our own calender. They have the following meaning:
AD - after the birth of Christ ("Anno Domini" in Latin: "in the year of our Lord")
BC - Before (the birth of) Christ.

Sometimes, often used by non-Christians the following abbreviations are used instead:
CE - Common Era (=AD, after Christ)
BCE - Before Common Era (=BC, before Christ).

All calenders are different in their appearance: some are based on the cycle of the moon, some on the sun, some are based on both, some have leap years, some haven't, some start at "year 1" again at the beginning of the reign of each new king, emperor or pharaoh, etc, etc... This means it is extremely difficult if not tricky to move dates from one calender to another.

Three weblinks to start from:

The National Solar Observatory
(http://www.nso.edu/PR/answerbook/calendar-main.html)

NASA
(http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Scalend.htm)

Ortelius
(http://www.ortelius.de/kalender/idx_en.php)

Good luck!

Your's, Paul Haanen

(http://en.allexperts.com/q/Archaeology- ... endars.htm)


Of course the Jewish folks adhere to a Lunar calendar and so do the Muslims while Christians adhere to a solar calendar.

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I thought this DVD was really interesting. I was going to post it in its own thread but decided to post it here.

I viewed this DVD titled "The Great Year" which I found interesting. It didn't answer a lot of my questions but the website goes further in that regard. Just goto the "FACTS" section of the website for more info there.
http://www.thegreatyear.com

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"The Great Year, is the term that some ancient civilizations use to describe the slow precession of the equinox through the twelve houses of the ancient zodiac, a period that takes about 24,000 years. Different cultures refer to this cycle by different names including: the Platonic year, Perfect year, Yuga cycle, Ages of Man or just the equinoctial cycle, but one thing is clear, it was known to virtually every ancient culture throughout the globe. In their epic work Hamlet’s Mill Giorgio de Santillana and Hertha von Dechend document the great year tale and point out it was the number one topic woven into myths and folklore around the ancient world.

Why were our ancestors so fascinated by this subject that they memorized stories that were passed down for thousands of years and built megalithic structures on every continent to monitor this movement? We think it is because the tales are true! That is, as the Sun curves through space carrying the Earth with it, our bodies and our planet move to a region where they are affected by different cosmic forces that indirectly result in the rise and fall of civilization. As mans consciousness expands and contracts, and the cycle plays out, just like a solar year with its seasons, it results in great ages of enlightenment and dark ages of misery. Indeed, the archaeological record shows a broad decline of ancient civilizations beginning about 5000 years ago, a long world wide dark age and then finally a rise in consciousness with the renaissance continuing to the present day. Were the tales and myths and stone henges really just for amusement and farming? Or is Hamlet’s Mill correct: folklore is the scientific language of ancient times, and they were trying tell us of the dark days to come, and trying desparetly to preserve knowledge in the pyramids and megaliths and temples so carefully aligned to the heavens incorporating sophisticated mathematical principles.

This is the story of the Great Year and new scientific evidence to support it. Recent solar system studies seem to indicate that precession is indeed caused by a curving motion of our sun through space. While not yet widely accepted, if true it a startling finding confirming the wisdom of the ancients."
http://www.thegreatyear.com/thegreatyear/index.shtml

History and Celestial Time
By Walter Cruttenden
http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/CruttendenW1.php

A book written after the DVD was made -
"Lost Star of Myth And Time" by Walter Cruttenden
http://www.loststarbook.com

"Discoveries like the ancient Greek Antikythera computer (1500 years before the invention of precision geared devices) the Baghdad batteries (2000 years before Volta ‘invented’ the battery) or dental and brain surgery artifacts found in ancient Pakistan (8000 years out of historical sequence) appear ‘anomalous’ within our current paradigm of history. However, they are not unexpected according to the ancient cyclical view...."
http://yugaproject.org

http://www.stonepages.com/news/archives/002598.html



Here are some links from NASA

Planets with Two Suns Likely Common - from May 2005

Surprise Discovery: Two Planets, Two Stars, One System - from October 2010

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That Great Year video looks quite good. Cruttenden's quite a dude:

(http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/me ... tenden.htm)

(http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/me ... enden2.htm)

Here's the main page of interviews:

(http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/home.htm)

Acharya's on there too, but don't let that put you off :wink:

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I'm just ordering the book on Amazon now, thanks for the heads up!
The DVD is only Region 1 at the moment though; us Europeans will have to wait.


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From what I've read about the book this link might be related...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20071109/ ... 6ciVWHgsgF


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Wowzers, Thanks daithi what a strange coincidence I didn't know about that recent find. It's odd that I brought this here at this time.

Sun's Wayward Twin Discovered
(http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... -twin.html)

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I learned today there was no zero for Christians until the Islamics taught them about zero. They had no concept of it. The Christian calendar had no zero at one time, but was added later. The year zero has never existed. So, the question is, how did the Christian calendar get figured? That is how did the time line get made up?

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Good Christians don't ask questions like that!

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Who said I was a good Christian? Who said I was a Christian or good? :twisted:

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You naughty transtheist, you!

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I'm a transtheist? :shock: Here I thought I was a non-theist.

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Mriana wrote:
I learned today there was no zero for Christians until the Islamics taught them about zero. They had no concept of it. The Christian calendar had no zero at one time, but was added later. The year zero has never existed. So, the question is, how did the Christian calendar get figured? That is how did the time line get made up?


There is no zero year in that. The year before 1 CEAD is 1 BC.

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Actually, here's an interesting coincidence from the gnostic text 'Pistis Sophia'. In it there's a story of Jesus meeting himself as a child...there are 2 children, 2 'suns' of god but only one can stay in order to give life.

There's also the tale of Romulus and Remus. I wonder if there's some connection with the idea of the sun having a twin...


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Yes, I've heard that story, daithi.

Balu, that is what I was saying. What I want to know is how it was created. How did they calculate it all and so forth.

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Mriana wrote:
Yes, I've heard that story, daithi.

Balu, that is what I was saying. What I want to know is how it was created. How did they calculate it all and so forth.


There was the Julian Calendar which was already in existence then right? I think the year no. 284 or something in that calendar was taken as Year 1 of AD/CE. The year before that would be 1 BC.

This system is different from the Hindu system where the year is denoted by the completed number of years just like we tell our ages. So there would be a zero year in our systems.

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