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 Post subject: "The Great Year"
PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:41 pm 
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Here's a link to an interesting program about precession called "The Great Year", narrated by James Earl Jones:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 2244004940

And here's a lecture series about the precession of the equinox and the Great Year for anyone interested in furthering their understanding of it:

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This may be one of the best introductory videos about the Great Year circulating on youtube...

The chapter on "The Meaning of Revelation" in the CC becomes much more understandable and obvious after learing about the importance the GY concept of cyclical time in the ancient world.

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The Meaning of Revelation

Another biblical “code” in need of decipherment is the book of Revelation, which has mystified and fascinated people for centuries with its bizarre imagery and purported prophecy. This fascination has lead to endless speculation and interpretation of its prophecy, by biblical literalists, who, being unable to do anything else with it, usually interpret Revelation allegorically. …As Pike says, “The Apocalypse, or Revelations, by whom ever written, belongs to the orient and extreme antiquity. It reproduces what is far older than itself.” Higgins concurs:

“That the work called the apocalypse of St. John…is of very great antiquity is clearly proved by the fact that it makes the year only 360 days long – the same length that it is made in the third book of Genesis.”

Based on its astrological imagery, Massey evinced that Revelation, rather than having been written by any apostle named John during the 1st century CE, was an ancient text dating to 4,000 years ago and relating the Mithraic legend of one of the early Zoroaster’s. The text has also been attributed, psuedepigraphically to Horus’s scribe, Aan, whose name has been passed down as “John.” …In fact, the words “Jesus” and “Christ”, and the phrase “Jesus Christ” in particular, are used sparingly in Revelation, revealing they were interpolated (long) after the book was written, as were the Judaizing elements. …In fact, Revelation records the mythos of the precession of the equinoxes, or the “Great Year,” and was apparently written to usher in the age of Aries, which began around 4,400 years ago. As Churchward says:

“The drama appears tremendous in the book of Revelation, because the period ending is on the scale of one Great Year. It is not the ending of the world, but of a Great Year of the world.”

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“The book of Revelaton is and always has been inexplicable, because it’s based on the Egyptian Astronomical Mythology without the gnosis, or “meaning which hath wisdom” that is absolutely necessary for an explanation of its subject matter.”

Sacred Numerology / Gematria

The book of Revelation is in fact an encapsulation of the ancient astrological mythos and religion. A Part of which is sacred numerology. Indeed, several sacred numbers repeatedly make their appearance in Revelation, such as three, seven, 12, 24, etc. The “seven stars” or “spirits” are the seven “planets” that make up the days of the week and the Seven Sisters, which were variously the pole-stars or the Pleiades. …The seven “torches of fire” or seven branch lamp stand symbolizes the sun in the middle, with the moon and five inner planets as satellites, corresponding to the days of the week. Concerning Jesus as the lamb with seven horns and eyes, Wells says:

“Revelations figuring the heavenly Jesus as a lamb with seven horns and seven eyes ‘which are the spirits of God sent forth into all the earth” (5:6) is a manifold reworking of old traditions. Horns are a sign of power (Deuteronomy 33:17) and in Daniel designated kingly power. The seven eyes which inform the lamb of [what] is happening all over the earth seem to be residues from ancient astrological lore… according to which God’s eyes are the sun, the moon, and the five planets…”

The Great City of Revelation is the city of the Gods, located in the heavens, with the 12 gates of the zodiac. The “tree of life” in the city that bears “twelve manner of fruit” is also the zodiac. In edition, the 24 elders in white garments around the throne are the 24 hours of the day “around” the sun. The four angels “standing at the four corners of the earth” are the four cardinal points or angles of 90 degrees each…

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 Post subject: Great Year as Demiurge
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The ancient philosopher Plato held that God is revealed locally through a Demiurge, an artisan-like figure responsible for the fashioning and maintenance of the physical universe. The Great Year, the structure of the spin wobble of the earth, serves the function of the Demiurge, incarnating the infinite and eternal reality of the universe in our planet. Analyzing the ancient theory of the Demiurge against new investigation of the Great Year indicates a robust identity between them, with the Great Year actually serving the function that the ancients accorded to the Demiurge.

The Great Year of precession of the equinoxes has been stable for four billion years. All life on earth has evolved within the physical framework of the Great Year. The meeting points of the celestial equator and the zodiac at the equinoxes define the period of the Great Year. These opposite points are now moving from Pisces into Aquarius and from Virgo into Leo. This shift of the sign of the equinoxes every 2147 years is part of a bigger cycle, as the equinoxes move from side to side of the Milky Way galaxy with regular and stable precision in their journey around the twelve signs of the zodiac every 25765 years. The Great Year is a regular physical structure that has existed largely unchanged over the entire history of our planet since life emerged four billion years ago, about one third of the time since the Big Bang.

The stable physical-temporal system of the Great Year produces slow natural cycles in the earth. Sensitivity to initial conditions of evolving complex systems means that the evolutionary nature of the Great Year is a necessary truth of the logic of earth as a complex system. Science still lack the means, or perhaps the will, to detect this slow evolutionary cycle. To start to look for the influence of the Great Year on the evolution of life, we can look to the appearance of the cycle of precession within human imagination over thousands of years.

The cycle of the Great Year was seen as providing the structure of time in ancient India, encoded in the Yuga and the Day of Brahma. Vedic mythology of the Yuga sees a cycle of gold, silver, bronze and iron ages, with high point of awareness of God in the Golden Age around 14,000 years ago and 12,000 years in the future, and low point of ignorance of God in the Iron Age about 1500 years ago. This Vedic vision of the Great Year informed the ideas of Daniel and Hesiod, who carried the Indian theory of time to the West.

The Vedic theory of the Yuga cycle matches Plato's theory of the Demiurge as the organizer of the universe, rather than the creator of a physical substratum. Plato describes the Demiurge in Timaeus against the framework of time and eternity provided by the zodiac, representing time, and the Milky Way galaxy, representing eternity. Plato described the zodiac and galaxy as an X in the sky. Plato's X became the Christian chi-rho cross, seen by Constantine at the Battle of Milvian Bridge that established Christianity as the state religion for the Roman Empire. The steady movement of time against this eternal X in the sky describes the Great Year. The slow steady movement of the spring point, one degree per human lifetime, provides a tectonic framework for history. Like earthquakes, the regular cosmic cycle exhibits the reflection in events of deeper slower forces.

For the writers of the Bible, seeing the Great Year as Demiurge provides an implicit context for their stories and goals. The theory of the Demiurge holds that the eternal and infinite God of the universe is unknown, but is revealed in the deepest processes of the earth. The period of rotation of the earth's axis, with one cycle per day and one wobble per Great Year, is the deepest process of the earth, governing the structure of time, and providing the link between time and eternity. The Bible writers well knew that precession marks the slow sweep of time, as they could see the spring point of the sun gradually moving from its old location in Aries across the first fish of Pisces at the time of Christ. This cosmic shift matches exactly to the mythology of Jesus Christ as the alpha and omega point of the Great Year, the moment when one Great Year ends and another begins.

The structure of the Great Year against the galaxy is like day and night of a single day. We have now passed the midnight point of the depth of the Kali Yuga in 500 AD, when the spring point was furthest from the galaxy, and are moving upward towards a new dawn in 6000 years and then a new Golden Age, equal to midday in the Great Year, twelve thousand years in the future.

The path of the earth around the Great Year matches the description in the Bible of the galaxy as the river of life, with our finding of the river of life described in Genesis and Revelation as the symbol of cosmic redemption.

Christian eschatology can be read against the lower 7 hours in the night of the day of the Great Year. The 3.5 'times, time and half a time' of the tribulation can be considered against the 'thousand years as a day for God' of Peter, and against the seven days of creation of Genesis, to describe the 7500 years of the 3.5 Ages of Taurus, Aries, Pisces and half of Aquarius. The prediction embedded in this Biblical and Augustinian theory of time assumes that creation occurred in about 4300 BC when the equinox precessed from Gemini into Taurus, and sees each thousand years of history since then as a day in the week of God, with the seventh day seen as the sabbath day of rest and healing after six days of creative tribulation. This seventh day of Christian time corresponds to the Christian millennium of peace, a prediction that from about 2150 to 3225 the world will be governed by Christ, but also as part of the tribulation because the level of damage over the last six thousand years is so big. The Bible also suggests that the forces of evil will regroup at the end of the millennium of peace for a final battle before the long ascent to the golden age over the next ten thousand years.

The whole Bible may be read with understanding by seeing the Great Year as the Demiurge. The two angels with flaming swords who guard the road to Paradise are Castor and Pollux, the Gemini Twins. Gemini stands athwart the Milky Way, marking the gate of heaven described by Macrobius and other ancient writers. The cosmic myth of the angels of Gemini suggests the fall from grace described in Genesis is reflected in the sky, with the twins guarding the path back to the Golden Age.

At the middle of the Golden Age stands the Tree of Life, Yggdrasil, the symbol of time and eternity. The Tree of Life is a metaphor for the Great Year, with the slow patterns of the stars reflected in life on earth. The Bible says we lost contact with the Tree of Life at the fall from grace, and will regain contact with the Tree of Life, with its 'twelve fruits, one for each month, for the healing of the nations' when we build the Holy City.

The Holy City is the great secret description of the Great Year in the Bible. The Holy City is 12,000 units wide, just as the Great Year is about 12,000 years across. The Holy City has the shape of a cube, whose angles sum to 2160 degrees, the number of years traditionally seen in an Age. The twelve foundation stones of the Holy City, the same jewels as the breastplate of the High Priest of Israel, are the twelve Ages of the Zodiac, beginning with Pisces, then Aquarius, Capricorn, Sagittarius, Scorpio, Libra, Virgo, Leo, Cancer, Gemini, Taurus and Aries, as attested from Philo and Josephus. Each of these foundation stones of the Holy City describes a period of about 2000 years, beginning with Christ, marked by the presence of the equinox in each sign of the zodiac over the course of the Great Year.


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 Post subject: Re: "The Great Year"
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Here is a diagram of the relation between the celestial equator and the zodiac ecliptic over the period of the Great Year. I have bent the sky map to make the equator a sine curve and the zodiac a straight line, so the constellations are not exactly to scale. The purpose is to show the limits of the position of the equator, which is constantly moving due to precession. The sine curve of the equator moves from left to right across this picture once per Great Year while the zodiac remains a constant straight line in the middle. We can see from this picture, for example, that Orion's belt (bottom middle left) will reach its northern maximum alignment with the equator in several hundred years, when the minimum point of the curve passes across it. Orion will then start to move south again, reaching about 46 degrees south in half a Great Year, 13,000 years, when Perseus (now 46 degrees north) and Scorpio's tail (now 46 degrees south) will be near the equator. The galaxy is the pair of vertical bars crossing the max and min points of the equator curve. The northern limit and southern limit lines of the equator are each 23 degrees from the zodiac, as a function of the axial tilt of the earth.

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 Post subject: Re: "The Great Year"
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Nice diagram Robert.

It should be noted to readers that the Bible's astrotheology outlines the ages of Taurus and Aries of the descending Great Year and Pisces and Aquarius of the ascending Great Year. That places the Biblical mythology into it's point of reference concerning the Great Year. It simply covers and an equal amount of the Great Year concerning the last two ages and the first two ages. The interesting point about Orion reaching it's maximum on the meridian in a couple hundred years is that it's one of the ways to observe the effects of precession on the stars. Robert Bauval's The Egypt Code covers just that. It marks the reaching of one extreme and then the turn around towards the other extreme. And he also argues that the Egyptians did understand precession despite much bias that suggests otherwise. The Greeks seemed to agree and even said as much, as he reveals in the book as well.

And so the Bible writers coming behind both the Egyptians and Greeks (Alexandria being very influential in both the OT and NT era's in terms of writing and copying) counting down to Aries, covering Pisces, and then forecasting the future age of Aquarius yet to come, is significant in terms of refering to the Great Year cycle and it's various turning points of interest that have passed down from Egypt to Greece in that sense. The turning point of Aries to Pisces was significant in terms of the completion of one entire Great Year according to Greek standard. But even more significant is the reaching of the stellar maximum in the next age to come which marks the earth finally reaching an extreme point and reversing direction, which the Giza necroplis seemed oriented around by mapping out the Leo-Aquarius axis points in the precession. So there's two primary points of interest concerning the new Great Year between the Egyptians and Greeks and they both coincide with the first and second ages of the Great Year cycle, which is the main focus of the symbolism of the NT. This has passed down in terms of the first and second coming motif in Christianity, which is very thoroughly astrotheological in nature. The astrological idea being pushed here in this motif is obviously linked to assuming that when the earth finally reaches it's extreme axial tilt, observed by watching a constellation such as Orion reaching it's maximum northern mark on the meridian during the first half of the age of Aquarius (Luke 22:10), then a wave of abrupt social change will take place on the earth which mirrors what is happening above in the sky (as above so below). This all goes beyond what is covered in the video, so here's a link to some further reading on the significance of the contellation of Orion to the Great Year: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3339

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 Post subject: Re: "The Great Year"
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Tat, I am continuing to work through your comments made at JCF, sorry for the delay. Perhaps the mention of the notorious Madame Blavatsky has put others off? Or maybe it is the combination with the Great Year. In any event it is all good discussion.
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That's an interesting take on it Robert. I like your vision of the Great Year as a natural cycle with the same effects as the sun or tide. It does sound very natural.
Yes, this sense from theosophy that every cycle of the earth is as regular and natural as night follows day should be a way to make discussion of the Great Year more accessible. We see it in Gerald Massey with his description of Christianity as ‘equinoctial Christolatry’ setting the natural framework of Christmas and Easter as the basis of a cosmic myth. Looking for such natural cycles in the history of the earth, we can see that precession contributes to the observed climatic rhythm of the Milankovitch cycles linking with the shape of earth’s orbit to produce hundred thousand year patterns visible in ice cores. But our discussion here focuses just on precession as the framework for mythology.

I think the main problem with using the Great Year as a framework for history is the lack of fit between the Great Year cyclic concept of a Golden Age ten thousand years ago and our usual anthropological and archaeological theories of cultural progress. The Vedas, Daniel, Hesiod, Virgil and Don Quixote give us the story of decline from a mythical Golden Age to a present Iron Age. Yukteswar links this cyclic vision to precession of the equinox, to say we are now on the upward path in a new bronze age after plumbing the depths of ignorance in the iron age of the Kali Yuga.

This cosmology of the Great Year matches directly to and encompasses the broad Biblical account used by Augustine of fall and redemption. In the bigger picture of the Great Year, the fall from grace in ~4300 BC is seen as the decline from a previous golden age and the redemption is understood in millennial terms against the Revelation account of the return of Christ in ~2150 AD as the dawn of the Age of Aquarius. We can set aside the creationist vision that sees this 7000 years as the whole of history by observing that the Bible itself enframes this time period within the longer story of the Great Year, through symbols including the Tree of Life and the tribulation.

The more significant problem in viewing the Great Year cyclic vision as natural is that it does not match to the scientific story of linear evolution from stone to bronze to iron to steel. How can we say that a world that was at a lower technological level, using tools of wood and stone, was somehow more spiritually advanced than today? This is where Theosophy, despite its scientific errors, offers a jarringly alternative conception of human evolution. I am now reading Out of Eden – The Peopling of the World by Stephen Oppenheimer. By grounding human expansion in DNA evidence, this book provides a decisive scientific explanation for our origins in Africa, and the path of expansion through Asia beginning 85,000 years ago, as I mention in my Blavatsky paper. We have not physically evolved in terms of intelligence for more than 100,000 years, so the question remains how recent myths such as Christianity may be grounded in very ancient wisdom. Could it be true that the upheavals of history have concealed the true nature of prehistoric high culture?

I have made a diagram of the observable heavens with the Milky Way as a straight line and the zodiac as a sine curve. This is a representation of the sphere of the sky. Similar diagrams of the sky can be made with the zodiac as a straight line and galaxy as a sine curve, or mapping the zodiac against the celestial equator instead of the galaxy.

In this diagram, the sun moves once from right to left each year and once from left to right each Great Year. Looking at the movement of the spring point, the place where the zodiac crosses the equator at the equinox, we see here that the Vedic Golden Age is centred on the top of this curve of the Great Year zodiac against the Milky Way, when the March equinox was in Leo 14,000 years ago, and the Iron Age is centred on the bottom of the curve, with the equinox in Pisces. The Milky Way galaxy is the axis for the eternal cycle of the Yugas. The model of the Yuga as a 24,000 year cycle matches directly to the model of the Great Year as analogous to a day with the galaxy as the horizon, correcting for the small error of an age of 2000 rather than 2147 years. In this physical cosmic version of the ‘Day of Brahma’ as discussed by Joseph Campbell, we can see that midday is the Golden Age, midnight is the Iron Age, and dawn and dusk are in the Silver Ages. This is a permanent stable physical cycle as old as the earth. As you say, it is purely natural.


A quote from Shakespeare’s Julius Caesar draws the analogy between tides and history: “We at the height are ready to decline. There is a tide in the affairs of men which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune; omitted, all the voyage of their life is bound in shallows and in miseries. On such a full sea are we now afloat, and we must take the current when it serves, or lose our ventures. (IV.ii.269–276)”. I sometimes feel that I missed my own flood tide when I was younger, fearing that all this material about the Great Year was too complex to discuss. However, I have devoted my life to study of the topic, and can see that ideas I had when I was 21 when I wrote my BA thesis on the Great Year and the Bible were too simple, although accurate in essence. Even so, I have faith that the songs I wrote at that time will soon be famous.

http://cervantes.thefreelibrary.com/Don-Quixote/101-1 provides Cervantes' version of the golden sticks story that Hamlet's Mill sees as a symbol of precession.

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My reason for seeing a continuity of Great Year knowledge is just due to the fact that its presence is evident in ancient myths with the 432 themes all over the place. It was known after the first century as well and has traveled along as veiled in our NT writings the entire time. Freemason's like Albert Pike are quoted admitting that Revelation concerns the ending on scale of Great Year in the sign of Aries. The Freemasons have obviously understood the astrotheological Great Year symbolism. I tend to think that higher level religious clergy understand such a reading as well. I see the evidence of a continuity of Great Year knowledge. The knowledge was available in the 1800's for Blavatsky. How did it get to her in the 1800's? She had to study and learn from available sources of information that had lasted from antiquity, continuously, into the modern era.
I remain of the view that previous understanding of the Great Year has been too fragmentary to be explained clearly. This is why in Hamlet’s Mill we see evidence of widespread intuitive sense that precession provides the framework for mythology, but an inability to analyse the mythology against scientific evidence, as we are discussing here. People have lacked a coherent framework to lift the veil on the New Testament and have seen the imagery as through a glass darkly rather than face to face. The Finnish myth of the Sampo as a millstone that has fallen off its axis speaks of this forgetting of the Great Year as the framework of cosmic attunement. This theme of the Great Year as a millstone appears several times in the Bible as well. As we move now back towards a restoration of the Aquarius-Leo axis at the equinoxes, this sense of cosmic attunement will steadily become more accessible.
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I can see how the Great Year is very natural and that it's a part of the natural evolution of life on earth. But I almost have to wonder if the ancients did understand the Great Year in those terms when devising the Golden Age mythologies and categorizing the ages in and out of darker "times". And if they did understand a natural cycle like this way back when, then they would have good reason for the continuity of an orderly effort on the part of those in the know to steer things according to the "times". The mystery schools are alleged to be intended as a way of continuing knowledge forward through the decline. It's the notion that the Egyptians may have seen that a cosmic fall - on the back end of the Great Year - was underway, and then sprung into action with the Pyramid building era's in order to make preparations for what they saw as a cosmic winter ahead. A very predictable cosmic winter to those with the knowledge of the earth’s precession. I wonder if they would be unknowing victims of the natural cycle that they acknowledged. It seems more probable to me that they would anticipate these changes coming in advance to their arrival, "Prophecy" as it were. The Prophecy of Revelation has to do with anticipating the forces of light winning over the forces of darkness during the Aquarian age. If it did start out as an Egyptian and Zoroastrian drama about the Great Year ending in Aries and was then translated into Greek and Christianized much later, as alleged, then that represents a sort of continuity of keeping this information traveling along through "time", likely with knowing participants in the mix among with the completely ignorant the whole way through.
This comment reminds me of a beautiful short story by Isaac Asimov called Nightfall. It tells of a world with seven suns and permanent day, where astronomers find evidence of past high civilizations and predict collapse as resulting from a total eclipse occurring every few thousand years. They know what is coming but are powerless to stop it, and find themselves swept up in the fear of the dark when the eclipse starts.

The ancients had a detailed cosmology of the Ages, as indicated in the statue of Aion that I copied in the Yeats thread. However, the power of delusory ignorance was so great that the general populace simply could not comprehend a spirituality based on cosmic law, resulting in the historized literal account of Jesus that we have in the Bible. Yes there have been the hidden wise who kept alive the flame of cosmic knowledge through the Dark Ages, but we are now moving into a time when this secret knowledge may be openly discussed, so the misunderstanding produced by talking in code can be cleared up.
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But that's just one perspective. And it doesn't exclude the possibility that the Great Year cycle is a natural cycle that affects life just like every other natural cycle on the earth. I like your perspective a lot. It doesn't have to with astrology and mysterious external forces, it has to do with what is happening on the earth itself while certain stars and constellations are the back prop. The age of Aquarius being a time when the back prop of these constellations has been a time of progress in terms of rising knowledge and awareness. Other times being times of forgetfulness. And the idea is that these myths are designed the way that are in order to carry certain knowledge over a vast period of time so that they will survive long enough to make it for countless generations into the distant future. There's the surface story line of the symbolism which offers great rewards for the preservation and continuity of the book of Revelation, for instance. A stern warning is given to all those who would add or subtract from the text. Eternal life is dangled as a reward for the continuity while hell fire and damnation is offered to those who refuse to honor the text and pass it along as absolute. I see lots of continuity and motivation for keeping these symbols moving through generation after generation towards the "time" period designated in the allegory.
That is an excellent summary Tat, thanks. We are opening ways to look at such mysterious traditions as eschatology and astrology against an objective empirical framework. An essential point here is that the Great Year is a physical wobble of the earth itself, and this is why I insist on accepting mainstream science regarding the lunisolar torque as the physical cause of precession. The stars are simply markers of a slow terrestrial cycle, not dynamic causes of this cycle through some mechanistic action at a distance. The seasons wobble from side to side of the Milky Way galaxy over the course of the Great Year to produce a terrestrial cycle that is as real for the evolution of life as the shorter cycles of the day and the year.


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Yes there have been the hidden wise who kept alive the flame of cosmic knowledge through the Dark Ages, but we are now moving into a time when this secret knowledge may be openly discussed, so the misunderstanding produced by talking in code can be cleared up.


I believe that to be the case. The ZG movie has brought the Great Year into public attention more so than anything else before. There are millions of viewers who watched the basic break down of what precession is and how the Bible basically covers three world ages while foreshadowing a fourth. It's slow, but there is an evident increase of awareness gaining speed. People don't know all of the details, but the general understanding is going around on youtube and so forth. All of this while going into the last of the age of Pisces while Aquarius is fast approaching. It's interesting to consider the whole thing from the basic perspective of the wobbling axis of the earth itself. We can't avoid the reality that the axis of the earth has been wobbling as life evolved over vast millennia. It's rocked back and forth, and back and forth, and the constellations such as Orion have been moving up and down on the meridian over and over again. And people were living under a bright and prominent night sky for millennia.

Campbell touched on this a lot actually. He kept pointing out that there are mythologies making use of the 432 number system (4,320 / 43,2000 / 432,000 / 4,320,000...) long before the so-called discovery of precession. And I've also found that the Napta Playa find seems to be oriented around using Orion to indicate the movements of precession via Orion's changing position up and down on the meridian with the use of a primitive and basic stone circle. Thomas Brophy covers this in his book "The Origin Map". Then the Giza necropolis shows the same as Bauval discovered, but with the use of much more sophisticated building methods.

West seems to think that the ancients knew that a cosmic winter season was approaching and took great care to try and preserve ancient knowledge in stone and set the mystery schools into motion as a preservation of knowledge, similar to storing seed for the winter. And he sees the pyramids as a granary of knowledge tucked away for the eventually cosmic spring when the time for knowing and understanding becomes favorable once again. The great influence of the Egyptian religion on early Christianity is evident. So I do see the strong Alexandrian / Antioch connection at play and I do see how a lot of these allegorical tales in the NT were intentionally oriented towards the long anticipated age of Aquarius ahead. Luke 22:10 outlining a bloody obvious instance of this. That's when Orion reaches it's maximum on the meridian during the second age of the new Great Year cycle as we've discussed. I honestly hope the ancients were correct and that there is such a cycle at play and that empirical science will be able to eventually get a handle on it by studying the earths wobble verses the evolution of life on the planet. There should be detectable changes that correspond to the time periods of different world ages. We should see some indication of changes taking place over the period of the last descending Great Year.

One obvious thing to be noted is that that is precisely the time period in which the fallen nature theology of Zoroastrianism and eventually the "Fall of Man" theology of Judaism begin to arise from the 'human psyche'. To pay real close attention, man was mythologizing fallen nature concepts precisely as the descending half of the Great Year cycle was fast approaching the bottom end of the cycle. Zoroastrianism emerges and Judaism emerges. Then, after the Great Year had ended with the end of the age of Aries, we then find people moving to mythologize a conclusion to the "Fall of Man" concept. A conclusion which involves the idea of man ascending back to where he was before the fall took place. It's a restoration theology about the redemption of humanity that started back with the Zoroastrians and moved forward through time with many additions with time. And it matches the movements of the GY cycle. Campbell took issue with the evolution of the fallen nature theologies in several books and lectures but he never really spelled out in clear terms that the fallen nature theologies are nothing more than 'man mythologizing the falling and rising of the GY cycle'. He simply took off trying to note how wrong it is to take the fall of man literally when it has metaphorical value. And of course It isn't literal in terms of taking Genesis literally to the letter of course, however the Fall of Man does describe the cycle of the GY allegorically. So from what I can tell we've just ventured out a bit beyond what Campbell was dealing with in a lot of his books and lectures. We're moving towards advancing something that he started but didn't quite zero in on within his life time. Unless I've missed where he spelled it out this clearly. If so I'd love to see where he addressed the fallen nature theologies on this level of consideration.

The fall of man motif only makes clear sense to me when viewed beside the position of it's actual emergence in the world nearing the end in scale of one complete GY cycle. And the idea that it was passed over from the Zoroastrians and entered the post Babylonian Bible writing era places it's emergence squarely into the age of Aries. But the earliest possible dates keep it in the age of Aries and perhaps bring it back as far as Taurus by way of Abraham. But from the perspective of the late Bible writings periods it looks to be the case of the priests looking back at the age of Taurus and then forward to the age of Aquarius in order to outline the last two 'descending ages' and the first two 'ascending ages' of the GY cycle. The whole Fall and Redemption theology turns around into something well plotted on the part of the astronomer priests responsible for the writings in that sense. It's simply part of their "astrotheology". And the truth of the matter is that if science ever can deduce - in clear empirical terms - that the GY does have something in the way of a natural effect on life on earth, then a whole new understanding of the fall of man against the back prop of the GY cycle suddenly comes into play. It would mean that while the story is very obviously a symbolic system of metaphor and allegory, it does refer to a perceived cycle of the earth dealing with the concept of mans loss of spiritual awareness that will eventually be "saved" during a two fold event - one being the coming of the anticipated age of Pisces and another being the anticipated age of Aquarius - the first and second coming of the sun into the first two ascending world ages of the fresh new GY cycle. This requires closer attention than many have given it.

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Looking at this question of the Great Year as a natural cycle, I have extracted this diagram of insolation over 50,000 years from public information on the rate of solar insolation on the summer solstice at 65 degrees north latitude. We see here that the precession of the equinox combines with the ellipticity and obliquity of the earth to generate a curve of light that closely tracks the Great Year, with high points 9000 years ago and 10000 years in the future and low points 21000 years ago and two thousand years in the future. We see here a natural analog for the day of Brahma. The Great Year causes a cycle of the amount of light reaching the earth.

While the match between this natural pattern, known as the Milankovitch Cycle, and the Great Year is out by about ten percent due to the contribution of obliquity and ellipticity, it provides a natural empirical match and explanation for the equation between the Yuga and the Great Year.

Seeing this as a model for the Golden and Iron Ages of Vedic myth, we see northern summer days got more light over ten thousand years until nine thousand years ago. The Zep Tepi Golden Age theory is that the Age of Leo was while northern summer days were getting more light each year, for 2150 years from 12500 before present, at the time of highest northern summer insolation. The silver age, around Gemini, began after northern summer days had begun to get less light. The Bronze Age, Aries, and the Iron Age, Pisces, were during periods when insolation in the northern summer was declining. Northern summer insolation will begin to increase again after the Age of Aquarius, heading for the next peak in ten thousand years time.

When we add the resonance between the earth and the solar system barycenter to this diagram, we can see and hear the singing of the earth to the tune of the Great Year, the song of the earth.

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That's interesting as hell. So then the descending half of the GY did actually coincide with a decrease in physical solar light at the summer solstice? And beyond the Age of Aquarius physical solar light will be increasing as per the summer solstice? I'm sure there's a lot of interesting data like this out there just waiting to be recognized against the movement of precession.

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Hi Tat

I have had to revise the diagram as the central axis is the year 0, not the present as shown in the initial version. This improves the Zep Tepi correspondence, as we see that the Vedic Golden Age, centred on the Age of Leo from 10,750 BC to 8600 BC, was the time when the northern summer received most light. The peak appears to be at 9000 BC. The blue dot is the present and is actually very close to the point of reversal towards increased light again. I would like to find the data to know the year of the turning point.

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Data source at http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/pubs/huy ... 2006b.html

Early Pleistocene Glacial Cycles and the Integrated Summer Insolation Forcing

Seasonal variations in insolation at 65°N when perihelion occurs at Northern Hemisphere summer solstice (red), fall equinox (orange), winter solstice (blue), and spring equinox (light blue).

Early Pleistocene Glacial Cycles and the Integrated Summer Insolation Forcing.
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Vol. 313, Issue 5786, pp. 508-511, 10.1126/science.1125249, 28 July 2006.

Peter Huybers
Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA 02138, USA.
ABSTRACT:
Long-term variations in Northern Hemisphere summer insolation are generally thought to control glaciation. But the intensity of summer insolation is primarily controlled by 20,000-year cycles in the precession of the equinoxes, whereas early Pleistocene glacial cycles occur at 40,000-year intervals, matching the period of changes in Earth's obliquity. The resolution of this 40,000-year problem is that glaciers are sensitive to insolation integrated over the duration of the summer. The integrated summer insolation is primarily controlled by obliquity and not precession because, by Kepler's second law, the duration of the summer is inversely proportional to Earth's distance from the Sun.
Download data from the WDC Paleo archive:
Data Description

Matlab program code used to generate the insolation values:
daily_insolation.m, orbital_parameter_data.mat, and make_integrated_insolation_tables.m

Integrated summer insolation values (800K data files) for:
90° North , 85° North, 80° North, 75° North, 70° North, 65° North, 60° North, 55° North, 50° North, 45° North, 40° North, 35° North, 30° North, 25° North, 20° North, 15° North, 10° North, 5° North, 0°, 5° South 10° South, 15° South, 20° South, 25° South, 30° South, 35° South, 40° South, 45° South, 50° South, 55° South, 60° South, 65° South, 70° South, 75° South, 80° South, 85° South, 90° South.

To read or view the full study, please visit the Science website.
It was published in Science, Vol. 313, Issue 5786, pp. 508-511, 10.1126/science.1125249, 28 July 2006.


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Great Year appears clearly in this map, from http://jrscience.wcp.muohio.edu/studentresearch/climate_projects_04/glacial_cycles/web/data.html.

The peak of northern summer light is at 9000 BC, 11000 years before the present. The actual change of light is a product of the Great Year cycle of precession of the equinox.

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Joining the two data sources gives this diagram

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Aion is an ancient Roman God. This photo is from the frontispiece of Aion by Carl Jung

The Four Creatures - the Man, Lion, Eagle and Snake - combine over the Great Year to ground mythology in cosmology
= fixed constellations Aquarius, Leo, Scorpio, Taurus
= Four Evangelist symbols from Ezekiel and Revelation of living creatures man, lion, eagle and bull

Axis of Leo-Aquarius = lion-man from 10735 BC (Egyptian Zep Tepi or First Time) to dawn of Age of Aquarius in 2147 AD, symbolising natural structure of time as axis of the world.

12882 year astronomical cycle equates to Holy City width of 12,000 stadia. Aion holds the seventh scroll in his hand.

Coils of snake around man-lion each mark one aeon or zodiac age. Christian Age of Pisces is marked by the circle of the snake around the heart. New Age of Aquarius is the unity of the four creatures at the head.

The four ages of Gold, Silver, Bronze and Iron from the Vedic Yuga, Daniel and Hesiod, marking the Biblical statue with head of gold and feet of iron mixed with clay are inverted with the golden age at the feet.


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"Light" has generally been symbolic for knowledge, while "Dark" has generally been symbolic for ignorance. So it appears that when physical solar light is more dominant, we find man mythologizing about high levels of knowledge symbolized by "light" filled higher ages. For anyone who bothered to watch the GY video this correspondence should be plain as day. Cruttenden has it to where all of the "light" of the higher ages comes from the close proximity of a binary companion star, but as we can see the same applies without the use of the binary companion star theory. We receive more light from the sun (Sol) itself during the latter part of the higher ages, oddly around Zep Tepi of the Egyptian mythology which is devoutly solar in nature. This data combined with what Acharya raised in CiE concerning the millennium as a solar cycle allegory stemming from the Egyptian mythos and the phoenix, all begins to grain together.

I'm aware of the theories raised by John West and Laird Scranton which point to the knowledge of advanced physics and atom break down having been intentionally encoded into the Dogon and Egyptian mythologies. And they leave it sort of blank as to why in the hell such information would have been encoded into the mythologies in the first place. Maybe it came from intelligent beings visiting the earth, maybe it came from some advance civilization that went down after the last Golden age, maybe it was a combination of both, and maybe they're wrong about everything and there is no advanced knowledge. But it's data like this correspondence between solar activity and the GY's rising and falling concepts that beggars the imagination. It would appear that the GY cycle of rising and falling in mythology has been some how coordinated around the 'observation of a natural ascending and descending solar cycle'. That's a stretch for many to wrap their mind around, but I'll go ahead and post some more videos that are in the spirit of this type of investigation into the possibility of advanced scientific data having been encoded into the mythologies of the early civilizations:


This is a good one about Luxor. Anyone with an interest can go on and view the rest of the episode because it delves into some rather mysterious subject matter.

Here the Yuga's are outlined in an attempt to try and explain how and why all of the previous data encoded into the temple at Luxor and elsewhere came from. The idea is that advanced knowledge from the last Golden age or even several Golden ages back, has always passed down through traditions which have kept the knowledge alive in one form or another cycle after cycle. And that they preserved the information to some degree through the descending cycles.

Then there's the episode on cosmology. This gets pretty wild:







And so when I see all of this hard data hinting towards an actual correspondence between GY mythology and real solar cycle activity, it grains right into what I have been following over the years. Whether they're right about all of the hard scientific data encoded into the mythologies I don't know for sure. I take an agnostic position on that for now. But I certainly follow the goings on of the process of discovery and speculation. And the more we find hard scientific data coming at us from the symbolism of our mythologies, the more interesting it becomes in my opinion.

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Tat Tvam Asi wrote:
when I see all of this hard data hinting towards an actual correspondence between GY mythology and real solar cycle activity, it grains right into what I have been following over the years. Whether they're right about all of the hard scientific data encoded into the mythologies I don't know for sure. I take an agnostic position on that for now. But I certainly follow the goings on of the process of discovery and speculation. And the more we find hard scientific data coming at us from the symbolism of our mythologies, the more interesting it becomes in my opinion.


Studying the path of the northern summer climate over the course of the Great Year provides a means to link mythology and science. We see, for example, that the warmest time, corresponding to the interglacial period, was 11,000 years ago at the time the Egyptians call Zep Tepi, the first time. Since then the northern summer has cooled. The point known in Christian mythology as the fall from grace, the expulsion from Eden at about 4000 BC, is the time of most rapid cooling of the northern summer, measured at the solstice insolation. So, we have everything getting better for ten thousand years before Zep Tepi, then a change in direction of warmth, reflected in the mythology of successive declining ages of gold, silver, bronze and iron. Iron matches to the present, as the point at which the summer warmth again starts to increase in a small rise over the next ten thousand years, followed by another smaller fall at 20000 years before ascent to a warmer period from 30 to 50 thousand years in the future.

Here we see northern summer insolation charted over 200,000 years around the present.
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