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Ancient Observatories Found Worldwide

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Acharya is working on a new book & would love to have your help putting together a collection of articles & photos from around the world about the latest archaeological finds that pertain to solar mythology, archaeoastronomy & astrotheology etc.

I want to start this thread for folks to have a place to help post the mountain of evidence from around planet of solar observatories. Demonstrating the mountain of evidence for the solar mythology & astrotheology theme found in so many discovered archaeological sites.

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"Towers point to ancient Sun cult: The oldest solar observatory in the Americas has been found, suggesting the existence of early, sophisticated Sun cults, scientists report." "4th Century BC"

"The study is published in the journal Science. Clive Ruggles, professor of archaeoastronomy at Leicester University, UK, said:

"So, on the summer solstice, which is in December in Peru, you would see the Sun just to the right of the right-most tower; for the winter solstice, in June, you would see the Sun rise to the left of the left-most tower; and in-between, the Sun would move up and down the horizon.""

1 March 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6408231.stm

List of archaeoastronomical sites by country

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"At Stonehenge in England and Carnac in France, in Egypt and Yucatan, across the whole face of the earth are found mysterious ruins of ancient monuments, monuments with astronomical significants. These relics of other times are as accessible as the American Midwest and as remote as the jungles of Guatemala. Some of them were built according to celestial alignments; others were actually precision astronomical observatories... Careful observation of the celestial rhythms was compellingly important to early peoples, and their expertise, in some respects, was not equaled in Europe until three thousand years later."

- Dr. Edwin Krupp, "In Search of Ancient Astronomies," astronomer and director at Griffith Park Observatory in Los Angeles

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This site does a good job with the Art, Science, Religion and Cultural aspects of sun worship around the world.

http://westudent.tripod.com/sunhistory.html#science

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There's so much more than just observatories alone...help find petroglyphs, hieroglyphs, iconography, cuneiform tablets & more...

Enjoy all 5 of these videos.

At the bottom, "Mithras Observatory in Oklahoma"

Mithras petroglyph found on the 'Anubis cave'. "Worshippers of the pagan god Mithras came to America and carved his entourage, star charts and an equinox shadow play in a shallow cave around the time of Christ"



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BTW, These youtube video clips come from the documentary titled, "Old News".

"Old News" DVD -

"Old News examines discoveries over the past 25 years that indicate Plains Indians had visitors from the far side of the Atlantic a thousand years before Columbus sailed from Iberia. More than a half dozen archaeoastronomical panels are documented with timelapse film and videography on the equinoxes, the summer solstice and Lughnasad. Only after translations of the associated grooved writings were these solar alignments first observed. We examine the nature of Irish Ogham and how it compares to the consonantal variety found in America, show the sort of explosive reaction this subject ignites among American archaeologists, follow a researcher as he applies his nuclear chemical analysis to dating some Ogham rock writings, propose that these foreigners may have worshipped Mithras revealed by their layered iconography and specific Indo-European star charts detailing Mithras' regulation of orderly celestial cycles, discuss the humanity of these powerful discoveries, and conclude with a postscript suggesting an even earlier expedition from a seaport on the southern coast of the Arabian peninsula based on the unique Dhofari alphabet found on other heavily patinated rocks in America's heartland."

http://www.onter.net/index.html

http://archaeoastronomy.com/

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Rebuilding Germany's Temple of the Sun

A project to faithfully reconstruct a 7,000 year-old solar observatory, the oldest of its kind in Europe, began this week at Goseck in the German state of Saxony.

The observatory was first discovered in 1991 when the 75 meter diameter circular outer ring was unearthed by archeologists after an aerial photograph revealed the site.

The observatory was not only the largest of its kind on the continent and an important discovery in the quest to understand ancient astronomical exploration but it gave the archeologists further insight into the spiritual-religious world of Europe's first farmers.

The sun was worshipped as the bringer of life and the orchestrator of the changing seasons and the observatory may have had played a part in the farmers' understanding of nature and crop growth.

Experts say that the southeast gate of the observatory corresponds to the exact point the sun rose at the beginning of the winter solstice on Dec. 21 almost 7,000 years ago. The southwest gate is believed to be the corresponding point to the sundown on that date.

Its discovery is also significant due to the fact it is situated only 23 kilometers from the place where the 3,600 year-old sky disc of Nebra was discovered in 2002, an example of one of the earliest astronomical representations of the night sky.

The solar observatory, situated in an area rich in ancient heritage sites in Saxony-Anhalt is estimated to have been originally built sometime around 5,000 years B.C.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,1564,1604678,00.html

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Stonehenges all around us
February 16, 2007

"Architectural relics and modern structures show that we may not be much different than our ancestors.

By Craig Childs, CRAIG CHILDS is the author, most recently, of "House of Rain: Tracking a Vanished Civilization Across the American Southwest."

ARCHEOLOGISTS recently discovered what appears to be the other half of Stonehenge, illuminating what they believe is a much larger Neolithic complex than has long been envisioned. What is coming to the surface seems strangely familiar. Looking closely at Stonehenge and other Neolithic sites, we find the formative patterns of our modern world.

Step out of your house and you might notice your street is fixed on a cardinal grid: north, south, east, west. This pattern defines many American and European cities, as well as Neolithic sites such as Anyang in China and the Mexican city of Teotihuacan.

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Stonehenge: A Feb. 16 commentary about Stonehenge stated that a megalithic structure in the Sahara dating back 6,000 years was the oldest in the world . A site in Turkey known as Gobekli Tepe dates back more than 11,000 years. —

The new discovery, two miles from Stonehenge itself, is an elaborate residential compound now being excavated. It is a site where the builders of Stonehenge may have lived and where pilgrims may have stayed while attending feasts and ceremonies. Fascinating tidbits have been unearthed: a timber version of Stonehenge, evidence of different kinds of occupations in the 4,600-year-old village and a processional "road" leading to the nearby Avon River. These finds add to the picture of an enigmatic Neolithic religion, in which stone-paved roads are aligned with celestial features and great circles frame the rising and setting sun at key times of the year.

This all has an uncanny resemblance to Neolithic sites in different parts of the world. The Big Horn Medicine Wheel in Wyoming, dating back several hundred years, is a complex celestial calendar, its 28 spokes of aligned stones pointing to risings and settings of the sun and various stars. This medicine wheel, in turn, is similar to the Nonakado Stone Circle of Japan, from the 1st millennium BC, where standing stones mark important, calendrical events on the horizon.

My friend and colleague, Kim Malville, recently discovered an Egyptian Stonehenge in the Sahara dating back more than 6,000 years. Malville believes that it acted as both a calendar and a temple for people living along the edge of an ancient lake, and it is the oldest known megalithic site in the world.

My personal favorite Stonehenge look-alike — at least in concept — is in northern New Mexico, where in the 11th century, the Chaco culture built hundreds of miles of processional "roads." Rather than rings of giant standing stones, the Chacoans erected enormous masonry temples known as great houses. Many of these great houses are aligned to view celestial events through portals and windows.

Looking at the way ancient people assembled themselves, archeologists see cults and primitive, celestial religions. But how primitive were these people's beliefs, and how different from them are we?

I once ambled around the Colorado Capitol in Denver with a compass and notebook in hand. I had come to a modern landmark to apply the same questions we had been asking at ancient sites. I found that every aspect of the building's neoclassical architecture has alignments you see at many Neolithic ceremonial centers. Every bench is symmetrically arranged around the cruciform building, which is, in turn, set to cardinal directions. It lies within an array of other government buildings and open processionals, each holding to the same cardinal patterns.

At the Chaco site, certain ruins were found swept clean, while nearby buildings were loaded with trash. The same thing was just unearthed near Stonehenge: some buildings littered with broken pottery and discarded bones — what archeologists believe to be the leavings of feasts and pilgrimage — and others remarkably clean.

Julian Thomas of the University of Manchester commented that these clean rooms near Stonehenge may have belonged to special people, chiefs or priests. He also suggested that they were possibly shrines and cult centers.

That day in Denver, tens of thousands of people were gathered in an open area at the foot of the Capitol for some kind of weekend fair. The atmosphere boomed with music and smelled of food cooking in numerous tents. What was I seeing? Pilgrims, feasts and cult centers? Were the meticulously kept buildings erected for priests and chiefs?

The same kind of architecture can be seen in Washington, where countless astronomical alignments are constructed into the Capitol and its surrounding buildings and monuments. Most recently, Gerald Ford joined a long line of presidents whose bodies have lain in state inside the majestic, symmetrical Rotunda. Will future archeologists imagine the worship of ancient leaders whose bodies were kept within circular chambers before burial?

So often we see ourselves as a lonely, cultural pinnacle, superior beyond all comparison. But if recent excavations at Stonehenge offer anything, they put our era in perspective, reminding us of an unbroken lineage shared across continents and cultures. We are simply an extension of an ancient age, living now in the next lost civilization."

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Winter solstice sunrise in Newgrange 3600-3100 BC
http://www.knowth.com/loughcrew.htm

Newgrange, Dec. 21st, 2007


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Ever heard of the Old Father Time story? It's essentially a version of solar mythology...the ancients symbolized the Sun as a baby on December 25 or 3 days after the winter solstice, a youth at Easter, a strapping, immensely strong man at the summer solstice, an aging man losing his power in the autumn, and an old man by winter approaching death at the winter solstice. Only to be re-born 3 days later on Dec 25th, once again.

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"Now when the ancient Egyptians, awestruck and wondering, turned their eyes to the heavens, they concluded that two gods, the sun and the moon, were primeval and eternal; and they called the former Osiris, the latter Isis..."
~ Diodorus Siculus (90-21 BCE), Greek Historian

"Suns of God" 89


Around 400 CE, we find Macrobius stating:

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"In performance of sacred rites a mysterious rule of religion ordains that the sun shall be called Apollo when it is in the upper hemisphere, that is to say, by day, and be held to be Dionysus, or Liber Pater, when it is in the lower hemisphere, that is to say, at night. Likewise, statues of Liber Pater represent him sometimes as a child and sometimes as young man; again, as a man with a beard and also as an old man¦ These differences in age have reference to the sun, for at the winter solstice the sun would seem to be a little child, like that which the Egyptians bring forth from a shrine on an appointed day, since the day is then at its shortest and the god is accordingly shown as a tiny infant. Afterward, however, as the days go on and lengthen, the sun at the spring equinox acquires strength in a way comparable to growth to adolescence, and so the god is given the appearance of a young man. Subsequently, he is represented in full maturity, with a beard, at the summer solstice, when the sun's growth is completed. After that, the days shorten, as though with the approach of his old age - hence the fourth of the figures by which the god is portrayed."

~ "Suns of God," 112

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6408231.stm

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The Thirteen Towers constitute an ancient solar observatory

The oldest solar observatory in the Americas has been found, suggesting the existence of early, sophisticated Sun cults, scientists report.

It comprises a group of 2,300-year-old structures, known as the Thirteen Towers, which are found in the Chankillo archaeological site, Peru.

The towers span the annual rising and setting arcs of the Sun, providing a solar calendar to mark special dates.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senegambian_stone_circles

You may also want to investigate Kozeletz in the Ukraine


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Here are some stone circles in The Gambia:

http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/243/

Sun temples in India:

http://www.indiantemples.com/suntemple.html

Fom the above site:


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Sun Temple at Surya Pahar in Assam
This relatively modern Sun temple in the vicinity of the Surya Pahar Hill near Goalpara in Assam. This temple enshrines a circular stone tablet having 12 images of Aditya in a circle with an image of Kashyapa the father of Aditya in the center. Surya is said to be the son of Aditi and Kashyapa (Prajapati or the creator of beings). Each of the Adityas os one faced and two armed. According to the Puranas the Adityas are 12 in number.



As solar temples go...


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Thanks for the posts Mr Bridger, I haven't been able to tend to this much lately. I'll come back to it from time to time when I can.

Archaeoastronomy
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoastronomy)

"List of archaeoastronomical sites sorted by country Sites where claims for the use of astronomy have been made."
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ar ... by_country)

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The ancient Egyptian religion is a sun-based religion and the yearly cycle of the stars was very important for them to calculate their calender. It would be surprising if there was no an alignment with certain celestial phenomena. However, archaeoastronomy is not an established science working hand in hand with archaeology in much of Mespotamia and Egypt. There are several reasons for this:

"The problem is that until recently hardly any research was done in that area: Egyptologists are no astronomers, and calculations in that field are extremely complex. This was taken for granted, but not a field of research. So nothing to much 'scientific' can be said, simply because of lack of data. That is something else than saying Egyptologists dismiss celestial alignments: they simply never looked into it. That is the disadvantage of a rich culture like that of the Egyptians: one can't do everything."
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Freethinkaluva22 wrote:
Thanks for the posts Mr Bridger, I haven't been able to tend to this much lately. I'll come back to it from time to time when I can.

Archaeoastronomy
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeoastronomy)

"List of archaeoastronomical sites sorted by country Sites where claims for the use of astronomy have been made."
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ar ... by_country)

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The ancient Egyptian religion is a sun-based religion and the yearly cycle of the stars was very important for them to calculate their calender. It would be surprising if there was no an alignment with certain celestial phenomena. However, archaeoastronomy is not an established science working hand in hand with archaeology in much of Mespotamia and Egypt. There are several reasons for this:

"The problem is that until recently hardly any research was done in that area: Egyptologists are no astronomers, and calculations in that field are extremely complex. This was taken for granted, but not a field of research. So nothing to much 'scientific' can be said, simply because of lack of data. That is something else than saying Egyptologists dismiss celestial alignments: they simply never looked into it. That is the disadvantage of a rich culture like that of the Egyptians: one can't do everything."
~ Paul Haanen
Archaeologist in Egypt
(http://library.thinkquest.org/C0118421/smallmain.html)



The Egyptian "year of the Phoenix" is quite interesting when it comes to calendars:

Also known widely as the Fire Bird, the phoenix is a profound symbol of life and rebirth. It has a life cycle of 500 to 600 years. It is a completely benign creature who lives in dew. It is said that the phoenix has a beautiful melodious song which grows ever more mournful as its life comes to an end. It is also a symbol of the sun and immortality.

The Egyptian phoenix was said to be as large as an eagle, with brilliant scarlet and gold plumage. Only one phoenix existed at a time, As its end approached, it built a nest of aromatic boughs and spices, set it on fire, and was consumed in the flames. From the pyre was born a new phoenix, which sealed its predecessor's ashes in an egg of myrrh and flew to Heliopolis to deposit them on the altar of the sun god. The phoenix thus symbolized immortality.

It is believed that Ancient Egyptians followed both a 365-day solar civil calendar and a lunar religious calendar.

The Egyptians had no "leap year": every year a fragment of a day which was left over at New Year was saved up, until finally after 1460 years(called a Sothic year) the fragments amounted to a whole year: The Year of the Phoenix.

It may be worth some additional research..


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On topic of calendars I always thought this was interesting:

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"Ice Age stone carving of the Venus of Laussel in central France (dated 21,000-18,000 BC). Just one of the many clear messages enduring the ages that confirm human celestial mathematical knowledge of the nexus between the Moon's egg shaped orbit, and the 28/29.5 day gestation reproductive cycle. Here, the pregnant figurine is shown embracing her womb while holding the cornucopia, or crescent horn marked with 13 incisions, symbolizing the number of 13 Moons, or 13 degrees a day in a calendar year.

The 9 month impregnation period for human females likewise became very discernible in the Heavens via the marriage between the Sun and Moon, with this cyclic period eventually becoming converted into early fertilization mythology, or otherwise known as exemplifying the conception and pregnancy of the Sun at the first Full Moon (Good Friday) where the Sun is crucified on the equinox (Easter) and is born 9 months later in December at the Winter Solstice (Christmas). This was finally to become the common Solar/Lunar praxis that the ancients esteemed as the initial promotive forces on all living bodies, thus including the fructification of fertile plant life on earth."
(http://www.geocities.com/christprise/pagan-origins.html)

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The ancient temples of Malta might qualify for this list:

http://tinyurl.com/2mkc7m

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It was suggested that I place this post, from another thread, here too.
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A while back I was watching, The Mysterious Origins of Man, wherein the topic of the age of Tiahuanaco, in Bolivia, came up. Some fascinating points were made, namely that archeologist, Neil Steede, had dated Tiahuanaco to c. 9,000 yrs. old using modern, astronomical data. From an article online, http://tinyurl.com/32kly6, I quote:

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I introduced Neil as a real life Indiana Jones, a maverick American archaeologist who is prepared to go to any length to find the truth of the past. In an amusing style that had the audience in stitches, this pony-tailed man in his fifties bulldozed through a series of theories regarding his work at Tiahuanaco in Bolivia, Giza in Egypt and La Venta on Mexico's Gulf coast.

At Tiahuanaco, Neil was invited by a television company to check out the findings of German archaeologist Arthur Posnansky who in the 1940s concluded that its famous Kalasasaya Court marked the rising of the sun at the solstices as they would have been observed around 15,000 BC (later dropped to 10,000 BC). In order to assess this claim, Neil had first to be convinced that the rectangular enclosure, marked out by roughly-hewn megaliths interspersed by dry-stone walling, was a solsticial marker. Certainly, it was orientated east towards the rising sun at the equinoxes, and the positioning of four megaliths in the eastern wall, two each side of the gateway, implied that they served a special function. Having determined that the megaliths in the north-east and south-east corners were, respectively, 23.5 degrees north and south of east, this suggested they were solsticial markers, since this was within the parameter of solsticial risings in previous ages. The exact angle of the solsticial risings, north and south of east, varies in accordance with a 41,000-year wobble of the earth known as the Obliquity of the Ecliptic. Currently the summer and winter sunrises are 28 degrees north and south of east respectively, and if we take into account the line of visibility from the western end of the Kalasasaya Court (defined carefully by Neil Steede) then it would mean that when the solsticial sun reached 24 degrees either north or south of east it would be visible above the enclosure. However, not only were the modern solsticial sunrises out of kilter with the megaliths markers at the corners of the enclosure, but Neil showed that an inner rectangular wall had been constructed at a much later date in order to allow the observer to once again see the solsticial sunrises over the eastern corners of the enclosure.

If the original corner megaliths were solsticial markers, as seems likely from the orientation of the Kalasasaya Court and the insertion of two further stones in the east wall to mark the cross-quarter days, then what does this tell us about the age of the earliest enclosure? Well, it implies that it was built at a time when the solsticial sunrises would have appeared over the corner markers. The difference between 24 and 23.5 degrees north and south of east might not seem of any special consequence. However, when we take into consideration the slow shift of the sun across the 41,000-year cycle, it implies a time period in the region of 9,000 years. Since conventional thinking places the construction of the final phase of Tiahuanaco in the region of 2,000 years ago, this suggests an original date of construction around 9000 BC. This time-scale is within 1,000 years of Arthur Posnansky's own calculations made some 60 years ago. Yet Neil feels, for his own reasons, that the true foundation date of the Kalasasaya Court is nearer 7000-5000 BC.

As Neil himself has pointed out to me in conversation, this does not necessarily mean that the city of Tiahuanaco was constructed any earlier than conventional archaeology suggests, only that the site had various building phases. Indeed, the earliest of these have still to be investigated fully.


Off the top of my head, wouldn't this make Tiahuanaco the oldest known remains of an advanced culture on the planet? And wouldn't it also be the oldest known example of sun worship, or solar diety on the planet? The later assumes that the solar gateway at Kalasasaya Court indicates a form of worship. And, of course, it all assumes Steede to be correct.

If the above is true, and the majority of, if not all, of the oldest-known, advanced stone-structures are in the Western hemisphere, what does that tell us about our purported history? Some gigantic gaps seem to be unknown--to us, anyway.

Anyone knowing more about these aspects of history or archeology, please enlighten.
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