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* Circumcision denudes: Depending on the amount of skin cut off, circumcision robs a male of as much as 80 percent or more of his penile skin. Depending on the foreskin's length, cutting it off makes the penis as much as 25 percent or more shorter. Careful anatomical investigations have shown that circumcision cuts off more than 3 feet of veins, arteries, and capillaries, 240 feet of nerves, and more than 20,000 nerve endings.31 The foreskin's muscles, glands, mucous membrane, and epithelial tissue are destroyed, as well.

* Circumcision desensitizes: Circumcision desensitizes the penis radically. Foreskin amputation means severing the rich nerve network and all the nerve receptors in the foreskin itself. Circumcision almost always damages or destroys the frenulum. The loss of the protective foreskin desensitizes the glans. Because the membrane covering the permanently externalized glans is now subjected to constant abrasion and irritation, it keratinizes, becoming dry and tough. The nerve endings in the glans, which in the intact penis are just beneath the surface of the mucous membrane, are now buried by successive layers of keratinization. The denuded glans takes on a dull, grayish, sclerotic appearance.

* Circumcision disables: The amputation of so much penile skin permanently immobilizes whatever skin remains, preventing it from gliding freely over the shaft and glans. This loss of mobility destroys the mechanism by which the glans is normally stimulated. When the circumcised penis becomes erect, the immobilized remaining skin is stretched, sometimes so tightly that not enough skin is left to cover the erect shaft. Hair-bearing skin from the groin and scrotum is often pulled onto the shaft, where hair is not normally found. The surgically externalized mucous membrane of the glans has no sebaceous glands. Without the protection and emollients of the foreskin, it dries out, making it susceptible to cracking and bleeding.

* Circumcision disfigures: Circumcision alters the appearance of the penis drastically. It permanently externalizes the glans, normally an internal organ. Circumcision leaves a large circumferential surgical scar on the penile shaft. Because circumcision usually necessitates tearing the foreskin from the glans, pieces of the glans may be torn off, too, leaving it pitted and scarred. Shreds of foreskin may adhere to the raw glans, forming tags and bridges of dangling, displaced skin.32

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excellent data/info at this link ... Circumcisi­on is Evil!

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Heh, it's no skin off my nose.

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Heh, it's no skin off my nose.


On this topic, I remember somebody in Acharya's blog had said that it is just like removing a rotten tooth :mrgreen:

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They use pliers?! Good Lord!

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Mr Bridger wrote:
They use pliers?! Good Lord!


Well, remember its the Lord God who wants it.

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Just as milk is of only one colour though obtained from cows of different colours so also the peculiarities of different religious thoughts lead to the same one ultimate truth - Mahabharatha


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What does He do with them all?

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Evangelicals Wade Into Circumcision Debate

"(RNS) The National Association of Evangelicals is siding with Jews and Muslims in opposition of a proposed ban on infant male circumcision in San Francisco.

"Jews, Muslims, and Christians all trace our spiritual heritage back to Abraham. Biblical circumcision begins with Abraham," NAE President Leith Anderson said in a statement. "No American government should restrict this historic tradition. Essential religious liberties are at stake."

The proposed ban, which does not include a religious exemption, would prevent circumcision of male children in San Francisco. If passed, circumcisions would be considered a misdemeanor that could carry a fine of up to $1,000 or a year in jail....."

Male and female circumcision is merely genital mutilation for religious reasons. There should be a nation wide ban on circumcision on babies. If a person still wants to be circumcised for religious or other reasons they should be allowed to do it THEMSELVES when they're 18.

So what happened to speaking out for babies, giving them a voice since they can't speak for themselves? The anti-abortionists should be jumping up and down on this one since they claim to be all about protecting innocent babies who obviously can't speak for themselves but nope, not a peep. In fact, we have quite the opposite as the evangelicals support circumcision against all evidence, facts, health and safety of the child because the anti-abortionists really couldn't care less about people after they're born.

Here are several great resources. One should be able to find about anything they need from here on the topic of circumcision...

Ritual Circumcision - "Circumcision is the first commandment given by God to Abraham, the first Jew, and is central to Judaism.

"This is My covenant that you shall observe between Me and you and your children after you, to circumcise your every male. You shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall become the sign of a covenant between Me and you"
Genesis 17:10-11

"And on the 8th day he shall have his foreskin circumcised" (Leviticus 12:3)
http://www.circumcision.net

"Circumcision is the most commonly performed surgical procedure in the United States today."
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"Circumcision is amongst the 40 most frequently performed surgical procedures, occurring more commonly than tooth extraction [Australia's, 1992].

In the USA cost per newborn is typically $165 [Schoen et al., 2006]. Post-neonatal circumcision, however, is approx. 10 times more expensive [Schoen et al., 2006]. The total cost of newborn circumcisions in the USA is estimated as US$150–270 million."

- Circumcision Procedure - Cost

- Does this mean that the male and female genitalia are NOT an intelligent design on Gods part? Outside of the US in many Islamic countries, the mutilation of the female that is every bit as rampant.
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What you need to know...

* No national or international medical association recommends routine circumcision.
* Only the USA circumcises the majority of newborn boys without medical or religious reason.
* Circumcision began during the 1800s to prevent masturbation, which was believed to cause disease.
* Today's parents are learning that the foreskin is a normal, protective, functioning organ.
* Today's parents realize circumcision has risks and is unnecessary.
* Circumcision denies a male's right to genital integrity and choice for his own body.

- The MYTHS of Circumcision

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Key facts:

* Female genital mutilation (FGM) includes procedures that intentionally alter or injure female genital organs for non-medical reasons.
* The procedure has no health benefits for girls and women.
* Procedures can cause severe bleeding and problems urinating, and later, potential childbirth complications and newborn deaths.
* An estimated 100 to 140 million girls and women worldwide are currently living with the consequences of FGM.
* It is mostly carried out on young girls sometime between infancy and age 15 years.
* In Africa an estimated 92 million girls from 10 years of age and above have undergone FGM.
* FGM is internationally recognized as a violation of the human rights of girls and women.

- Female Genital Mutilation

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"The grieving family of a tragic Queens toddler are blasting doctors at Beth Israel Hospital in Manhattan -- accusing them of botching a simple circumcision that led to the boy's sudden death.

Jamaal Coleson Jr. died Tuesday, about 10 hours after what was supposed to be a routine procedure, according to his uncle Jabbar Coleson, 23.

Coleson said the hospital was supposed to give his nephew a local analgesic, but instead administered a general.

The boy, who would have turned 2 next month, "Woke up and laughed and called for his mother and then went critical.

- May 6, 2011 Tot's shock hosp death

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The Global Survey of Circumcision Harm (GSCH) was launched because the medical community has never investigated the long-term adverse physical, sexual, emotional or psychological consequences of infant/childhood circumcision on the health of adult men .... There are 44 questions in this survey and the survey takes about 20 minutes to complete.

Genital Integrity Awareness Week - March 28-April 3, 2011

National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Center
Attorneys for the Rights of the Child
Circumcision Information Resource Pages
Doctors Opposing Circumcision
Mothers Against Circumcision
Circumcision Resource Center
Circumcision video - warning for timid viewers
Circumcision is Evil

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 3:36 pm 
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Kurt Johmann's work:

Here is the introductory first couple of paragraphs from Johmann's essay, The Psychological Harm of Male Circumcision:

When a young male of any age is sexually mutilated (circumcised) against his will, physical harm is done to his body and psychological harm is done to his mind. And just as the physical harm will remain with him for the rest of his life, so does the psychological harm. As other writers have suggested, the destructive assault on a young male's penis by a sexual mutilator is a great trauma for that male victim, and the consequences of this destructive assault are independent of whatever rationalizations or justifications were in the minds of that sexual mutilator and his accomplices as he performed his criminal assault.[1] As psychologist Ronald Goldman says:

If I forcefully cut off one of your healthy fingers, my reason would make no difference to you, even if I sincerely believed that amputating your finger was for your own good. Your experience of the event would be the same—pain, shock, horror. In the case of circumcision, what we are doing to the infant is cutting off a part of his penis. No explanations can change that fact. Our reasons, whether they involve religious belief, cultural conformity, or pleasing a relative, may make us feel better, but they make no difference to the infant.[2]

In my earlier writings on this circumcision subject (see my American Culture and Monotheism, Imperialism, and Genital Mutilation articles), I focus primarily on the sexual damage that male circumcision causes, and the reason why America, the world’s largest empire, is also a very prolific sexual mutilator (at the time I am writing this, roughly three-fourths of the adult American males who were born in America and are alive today, are sexually mutilated). And as I have already stated in these earlier writings, I myself am an American man who was sexually mutilated as an infant, as were roughly 70% of the other American males who were born at that time (I was born in 1955, and am 47 years old as I write this). As a complement to these earlier articles, in this essay I focus primarily on the psychological damage that male circumcision causes, with additional discussion of the sexual damage.

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Rabbi Discovers Boy Incorrectly Circumcised when Piercing Boy's Phallus; Orders the Boy to Be Recircumcised

(Honest Media Today) Oct. 6, 2006 In an instance illustrating how truly bizarre and depraved the Jewish religion is, a child was ordered to be re-circumcised just days prior to his bar mitzvah.

The boy's phallus was discovered not to have been properly circumcised when, according to the Australian Sydney Morning Herald, Rabbi Moshe Gutnick noted that he had "prepared to take a drop of blood from the boy's penis to symbolize his Orthodox conversion."

In this bizarre custom of bar mitzvah, it is believed that Jews then use this drop of blood from the boy's phallus in their religious rites, mixing it with wine, and then drinking it.

The boy's mother had been a convert to Judaism, and had had the boy ritually mutilated at a hospital under a rabbi's supervision; however, that was not deemed enough.

"It's not a good thing to say, but those people have gone mad on their power," said the intended victim's mother. She also noted that they felt "hurtful" when told that her son wasn't truly Jewish.

Penn and Teller: Bullshit! Circumcision
Video: Circumcision is Bullshit

Circumcisi­on is Evil!

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Circumcisions: Jewish, Muslim groups oppose ban

"Nothing like a proposed ban on circumcision to bring Jews and Muslims together.

Local chapters of the Jewish Community Relations Council and Anti-Defamation League are teaming up with a couple of practicing Jewish and Muslim families to file a lawsuit demanding that San Francisco's elections director remove the highly publicized circumcision ban from the November ballot.

The lawsuit, which is expected to be filed today in San Francisco Superior Court, argues that circumcision is a common medical procedure regulated by state law - and that it has no business being decided by city voters."

Huffington Post: Lawsuit Seeks To Block SF Vote On Circumcision Ban

Efforts to Ban Circumcision Gain Traction in California

Here's a good article and a funny read - Joel Stein Contemplates Circumcision (for His Son)

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I'm fully aware of two previous threads about circumcision. But both of those threads were in the H&L forum.

I wanted to have a circumcision thread in RS&S forum because I need to know if male circumcision came from the practices of the ancient mystery religions where Judaism, Christianity, & Islam borrow the idea from. Does anyone know for sure?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:58 am 
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Those other threads here are:

The Case Against Circumcision

Circumcision is Evil

For the history just do a search:

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History of Circumcision

"This section deals with the history of circumcision within religious traditions, paying particular attention to that of the Jewish religion, the Christian religion, and the Islamic religion...."

History of Circumcision: Stop the Cut

History of male circumcision

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History of Circumcision

"The practice of male genital mutilation is far older than recorded history. Certainly, it is far older than the Biblical account of Abraham (Genesis 17). It seems to have originated in eastern Africa long before this time...."

History of Circumcision

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Reading all the links. Thanks! 8) I see that Ancient Egypt is mention a lot.


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